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Wrrrrooooonnnngggg
Con (against)
The Contender
hutch976
Pro (for)

School Starts At A Perfect Time

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Started: 11/1/2016 Category: Education
Updated: 1 month ago Status: Debating Period
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Wrrrrooooonnnngggg

Con

I believe that school starts too early. With early wake up times and loads of homework, kids are getting a little amount of sleep. This is negatively affecting their grades and health. A study claimed that kids have a hard time learning before 10am. I have to wake up at 5:30 am everyday for school and my homework usually lasts until 12:30. The average adult requires at least 8 to 9 hours of sleep, but kids require more. Kids are falling asleep in class and getting in trouble because of it, even though their lack of sleep is due to the school's early start time and lots of homework. Many kids also have extracurricular activities such as academic clubs and sports, which takes up even more of their time.
hutch976

Pro

So my question to the "Con" in this argument would be, "with all of your criticism of your particular school district (because not all schools start and end at the same time), what is your proposed starting time"?

All of the "points" you make are over generalizations, and can be answered with common sense.

"With wake up times and loads of homework, kids are getting a little amount of sleep."

First of all, "wake up times" means what exactly? When is the wake up time you are referring to? What is your alternative? You have to wake up at sometime, just like you have to go to bed at sometime. Maybe you could go to sleep earlier, manage your time better, take less extra curricular activities, play less video games, not goof off in study hall, watch porn, or whatever it is that "kids" do, and manage your time better to meet your responsibilities. Maybe schools are designed to teach children responsibility and overcoming some obstacles in order to accomplish a goal, in addition to learning any other academic subject?

"This is negatively affecting their grades and health"
Yes, if you sleep less and are over-worked I am sure you can find statistics that show your work performance goes down. Here is the fault in your logic: why is it the default cause of this hypothetical drop in performance (of which you provide no sources) that schools are starting too early? Why could it not be any other number of confounding factors? Motivation, nutrition, problems at home, lack of educational funding, poor time management, over-reaching...are any of those possible contributors to your unsubstantiated statistic?

"At study claimed"....Oh Lord, which study?

"I have to wake up at 5:30 am everyday...." No one cares. Your personal experience does not constitute a generalization for the public school system across the United States of America. Take pride in the fact that you wake up early.

"..even though their lack of sleep is due to the school's early start time and lots of homework." Oh, and not as a result of their own personal choices? Manage your time better, eat better, drink coffee, exercise better, find a way to make it work. Real life does not care about you being tired. Why should schools coddle children and not prepare them for real life by not reflecting a normal workday? Again, you cite no statistics to back your claims.

I hope your next round in debating is something more than you just projecting your own personal experiences and whining onto the population at large.
Debate Round No. 1
Wrrrrooooonnnngggg

Con

Because different schools are obviously going to have different starting and ending times, I am proposing that schools are only allowed to start at 8:30 or later, as suggested by http://www.cdc.gov.... That source also shows that the National Sleep Foundation and The American Academy of Pediatrics both suggest this time.

When a school has early start times, kids are consequently having to wake up early so they don't come late. While time management is an important thing school teaches us, we shouldn't have to cut back on our extra curricular activities such as sports so that we can get more sleep. Not doing sports reduces our physical activity, and kids don't always participate or try their best in PE.

Yes, motivation, home problems, nutrition, and all of the other possible factors that you listed could affect students' grades, but lack of sleep causes health problems such as lack of concentration and alertness, depression, and can harm your memory, according to http://www.webmd.com....

"Oh lord, which study?".
This is my source:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com...

I understand that my personal experience isn't the same as everyone else in the US, but is the minority of kids that have early start times, myself included, that are being harmed from this problem.

Some kids do hurt their sleep due to poor choices, but that doesn't discredit all of the kids who are affected by the school but still make good choices.

Next round, I hope you don't just try to discredit my logic and research, and instead actually make an opposing argument.
hutch976

Pro

I'm going to ahead and use your own study against you.

My whole contention with your argument is this: there are a lot of confounding factors that contribute to students lack of sleep. In the military, for example, the usually wake up time is 0520 for Basic Combat Training. By regulation, soldiers are required to get 7 hours of sleep per duty day. Somehow...they make it work. Do you think you're doing more or less than a soldier in Boot Camp?

From your article regarding other factors that can help students get the good amount of sleep they need:

"However, a late school start time does not preclude the need for other interventions that have the potential to improve the sleep of adolescents. Health care providers who treat adolescents, both in and outside of school settings, should educate patients and parents about the importance of adequate sleep, as well as factors that contribute to insufficient sleep among adolescents. Parents can help their children practice good sleep hygiene (i.e., habits that help promote good sleep). A regular bedtime and rise time, including on weekends, is recommended for everyone, whether they are children, adolescents, or adults."" In addition, adolescents with parent-set bedtimes usually get more sleep than those whose parents do not set bedtimes (8). Adolescents who are exposed to more light (such as room lighting or from electronics) in the evenings are less likely to get enough sleep (8). Technology use (e.g., computers, video gaming, or mobile phones) might also contribute to late bedtimes (8) and parents might consider implementing a "media curfew" or removing these technologies from the bedroom. Finally, parents might benefit themselves and their children by setting a good example. Adolescent sleep habits tend to reflect their parents' sleep habits (10)"

^ Sources

Bartel KA, Gradisar M, Williamson P. Protective and risk factors for adolescent sleep: a meta-analytic review. Sleep Med Rev 2014;21:72"85.

Knutson KL, Lauderdale DS. Sociodemographic and behavioral predictors of bed time and wake time among US adolescents aged 15 to 17 years. J Pediatr 2009;154:426"30, 30 e1.

Fuligni AJ, Tsai KM, Krull JL, Gonzales NA. Daily concordance between parent and adolescent sleep habits. J Adolesc Health 2015;56:244"50.

Also, later start times will affect different school districts differently.

Also from your own article:

"Citing evidence of the benefits of delayed school start times for adolescents, AAP released a policy statement in 2014 that encouraged middle and high schools to modify start times to enable students to get sufficient sleep and subsequently improve their health, safety, academic performance, and quality of life (5). AAP recommended that schools start at 8:30 a.m. or later (5), but this was the case in only one in six U.S. public middle and high schools, with substantial variation by state. Because school start times are determined at the district or even individual school level, local stakeholders have the most influence on whether start times change in their communities."

Wow, so your PERFECT start time, derived from this article, VARIES greatly from state to state...and the 8:30 on only worked in 6 out of 50?!?!

How is that "perfect"? Looks like different people of different needs and means are making it work for them....crazy...

BUT WAIT...there's more from your article defeating your own argument:

"Groups seeking to delay school start times in their district often face resistance. Common barriers to delaying school start times include concerns about increased transportation costs because of changes in bus schedules; potential for traffic congestion for students and faculty; difficulty in scheduling after-school activities, especially athletic programs"

No one is disagreeing that not having an adequate amount of sleep is a good thing. We all know there are negative health side effects for that.

My point is this, why not just modify your sleep schedule to reflect factors you, as a student, cannot control?

By the way, learn how to read an academic article if you are going to cite it. When all of my sources directly refute your main point and come from your own article...you might be doing it wrong.
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Posted by hutch976 1 month ago
hutch976
My opponent was obviously too busy doing endless homework and waking up at the witching hour for school to continue this debate.
Posted by MagicAintReal 1 month ago
MagicAintReal
Which school?
Where?
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