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ournamestoolong
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NotPurpleHaze
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School Uniforms benefit schools

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Started: 11/10/2009 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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ournamestoolong

Con

I don't have much time now, so the first round will not have arguments.
NotPurpleHaze

Pro

I shouldn't have taken this.
Debate Round No. 1
ournamestoolong

Con

DEFENITIONS
SCHOOL- an institution where instruction is given, esp. to persons under college age (http://dictionary.reference.com...)
UNIFORMS- an identifying outfit or style of dress worn by the members of a given profession, organization, or rank. (http://dictionary.reference.com...)
BENEFIT- to do good to; be of service to (http://dictionary.reference.com...)

CONTENTIONS

1. Uniforms reduce the individuality of the student

Clothes are an important way that kids express themselves in a relatively harmless way. When you take this away, kids may express themselves in a more negative way.

2. Classism

Only certain families are able to buy school uniforms, as they cost more than other clothes. This discourages any lower class students from going to a school with uniforms. This is clearly classism and blatantly discriminatory.

3. Equality

Uniforms teach kids to judge people based on how they dressed, rather than the quality of their character. Children in any school, public or private, should always learn that people are equal to one another.
NotPurpleHaze

Pro

1. Uniforms reduce the individuality of the student

In what way does the individuality of the student benefit the school?

2. Classism

Uniforms cost far less than normal clothes and there are back to school sales at the end of every summer.

Its funny how you refer to the students that cannot afford uniforms as lower class students.

"This is clearly classism and blatantly discriminatory"

Uniforms are cheap. A lower class parent(as you would call them) would be far more likely to opt to send his/her child to a school in which uniforms must be worn as it would save him/her from having to provide different clothes for the 5 days of the week. It would also spare the child the embarassment of wearing the same old tattered clothes to school everyday clearly identifying him/her as poor. Not that this is anything to be ashamed of, but kids are cruel.

3. Equality

What? How? I'd have said the exact opposite. Ok say you have the son of an oil tycoon and the son of a poor man attending the same school in which uniforms must be worn. Does the uniform not show them that no matter where they came from that they're all the same?

And now for a few of the reasons why I believe uniforms benefit schools.

1. Less distractions

Uniforms take away worries like "what am I going to wear tomorrow" which allows more time for study and organisation.

They hide the figures of girls far better than what they would usually wear which allows the likes of me to stay concentrated on my studies.

So uniforms allow for more study, which would cause the average marks of a school to rise and theres surely extra funding granted to schools with high marks, so uniforms benefit schools.

2. Security.

In a school with uniforms any outsiders entering the school would stand out allowing for security to pick up on them a lot easier.

I'd write more but I'm wrecked.
Debate Round No. 2
ournamestoolong

Con

"In what way does the individuality of the student benefit the school?"

It helps studeents express themselves and be more creative.

"Uniforms cost far less than normal clothes and there are back to school sales at the end of every summer."

But students need two sets of clothes, school clothes and regular clothes, making the ost much more.

"Uniforms are cheap. A lower class parent(as you would call them) would be far more likely to opt to send his/her child to a school in which uniforms must be worn as it would save him/her from having to provide different clothes for the 5 days of the week."

Assuming someone buys their uniform at Macy's (We will use a standard uniform, A polo shirt with a belt and dress pants) Here are the respective costs.

Polo shirt - $9.60 (http://www1.macys.com...)
Dress pants - $20.00 (http://www1.macys.com...)
Belt - $12.98 (http://www1.macys.com...)

TOTAL COST
$42.58

Compared to jeans and a t-shirt
Jeans- $19.98 (http://www1.macys.com...)
T-shirt - $7.99 (http://www1.macys.com...)

TOTAL COST
$27.97

Uniforms cost more than other clothes.

"It would also spare the child the embarassment of wearing the same old tattered clothes to school everyday clearly identifying him/her as poor. Not that this is anything to be ashamed of, but kids are cruel."

Uniforms get tattered, and cost more to replace than regular clothes.

"What? How? I'd have said the exact opposite. Ok say you have the son of an oil tycoon and the son of a poor man attending the same school in which uniforms must be worn. Does the uniform not show them that no matter where they came from that they're all the same?"

It teaches kids to judge people based on how they look. That they all have too look the same in order to be equal.

Now to adress your argument

"Uniforms take away worries like "what am I going to wear tomorrow" which allows more time for study and organisation."

This issue can be resolved in 10 minutes, even for the pickiest of dressers. Uniforms also take more time to get into wasting time in the morning and after physical education.

"They hide the figures of girls far better than what they would usually wear which allows the likes of me to stay concentrated on my studies."

I am going to steal two figures from another debate on the same subject.

Fig. 1.1
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Polo shirts show off a girl'surves, and can be very sexy.

Fig 1.2
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T-shirts are unappealing.

"In a school with uniforms any outsiders entering the school would stand out allowing for security to pick up on them a lot easier."

Outsiders always stand out, they are adults. Also, school ID's fix this probem easily.
NotPurpleHaze

Pro

"It helps studeents express themselves and be more creative."

Yeah but you're talking about finding a look.

"Clothes are an important way that kids express themselves in a relatively harmless way. When you take this away, kids may express themselves in a more negative way."

So you are of the belief that kids expressing themselves with clothing will take from the other ways in which they could express themselves. Well thats what it sounds like from your above statement anyway. So by your logic allowing students to wear their own clothes would take from their expressing themselves and being creative in subjects like art, english and music.

"But students need two sets of clothes, school clothes and regular clothes, making the ost much more."

I'll give you that, but its a small price to pay to free up all that creativity that could be put to a better use than finding a look, isn't it? And why doesn't the student just buy the uniform if hes that stuck for money. There is no huge difference in the prices you found for us seeing as you left out the belt to go with the jeans and t-shirt. Your argument is based on the fact that someone might only be able to afford one pair of clothes but you haven't put forward any argument for why the jeans and t-shirt are a necessity.

"Uniforms get tattered"

Yes they do, but every student would be wearing the uniform to school every day. Whereas in a school where uniforms are not required a student who wore the same clothes to school every day would definitely be in the minority. In this way it would spare them embarassment.

"and cost more to replace than regular clothes."

The difference in cost is tiny if you don't include the belt. If the student kept his/her eyes on the floor on the way to the shop to replace the clothes, he/she would probably make up the difference.

"It teaches kids to judge people based on how they look. That they all have too look the same in order to be equal."

People in suits are generally a lot safer to approach that crack addicts.

"Polo shirts show off a girl'surves, and can be very sexy."

http://i68.photobucket.com...

You'll be hard put to find a polo shirt that comes close to even being half as distracting as that. You probably cant even remember what we were debating after looking at that picture.

"Outsiders always stand out, they are adults. Also, school ID's fix this probem easily."

Outsiders have to be adults?

"Also, school ID's fix this probem easily."

How much are the poor kids going to have to pay to get their ID's printed?
Debate Round No. 3
ournamestoolong

Con

Thank you for a wonderful debate.

REFUTATIONS:

"Yeah but you're talking about finding a look."

And sometime that is the only way for a kid to express themselves.

"So you are of the belief that kids expressing themselves with clothing will take from the other ways in which they could express themselves. Well that's what it sounds like from your above statement anyway. So by your logic allowing students to wear their own clothes would take from their expressing themselves and being creative in subjects like art, English and music."

Some kids aren't able to express themselves in those other fields. I am just suggesting that we keep the option of kids expressing themselves through clothes open.

"I'll give you that, but its a small price to pay to free up all that creativity that could be put to a better use than finding a look, isn't it?"

No, creativity isn't finite resource, to only be used in one field. If you are creative, and you make a painting, you are not "less" creative than before you made the painting. However, there are limited ways you can use your creativity. It is obviously ideal to use it in all the ways possible.

"And why doesn't the student just buy the uniform if he's that stuck for money"

Because they are uncomfortable, and can't be used for physical activities.

"There is no huge difference in the prices you found for us seeing as you left out the belt to go with the jeans and t-shirt."

That is because few kids wear a belt with jeans and a t-shirt, and it is not required.

"Your argument is based on the fact that someone might only be able to afford one pair of clothes but you haven't put forward any argument for why the jeans and t-shirt are a necessity."

Kid's need clothes, at the very least, for athletic activities.

"Whereas in a school where uniforms are not required a student who wore the same clothes to school every day would definitely be in the minority. In this way it would spare them embarrassment."

They could be easily be made fun of for having a tattered uniform.

"The difference in cost is tiny if you don't include the belt."

Again, the belt is only required with the uniform.

"If the student kept his/her eyes on the floor on the way to the shop to replace the clothes, he/she would probably make up the difference."

What?

"People in suits are generally a lot safer to approach that crack addicts."

So they are intrinsically better than them, just because they wear a suit.

"You'll be hard put to find a polo shirt that comes close to even being half as distracting as that. You probably cant even remember what we were debating after looking at that picture."

Ok, fine. Maybe that was a strech. But attractive girls will be oggled, no matter what they wear.

"Outsiders have to be adults?"

Uniforms have the same problem, unless you require teahers too wear them.

"How much are the poor kids going to have to pay to get their ID's printed?"

Only teachers would need them, because you an easily assume a kid won't break into a school.

Thank you for reading.
NotPurpleHaze

Pro

NotPurpleHaze forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by ournamestoolong 7 years ago
ournamestoolong
Its ok. You didn't forfeit first round, so thats good.
Posted by NotPurpleHaze 7 years ago
NotPurpleHaze
Sorry about that bud. You should vote for yourself.
Posted by philosphical 7 years ago
philosphical
LOL @ pro's first statement in round one
Posted by ournamestoolong 7 years ago
ournamestoolong
I'm glad that's off my chest.
Posted by ournamestoolong 7 years ago
ournamestoolong
Why shouldn't you have taken this?
Posted by InsertNameHere 7 years ago
InsertNameHere
Sorry, nevermind. I don't want it. It has an indefinate voting period.
Posted by InsertNameHere 7 years ago
InsertNameHere
Note: I'll be playing Devil's Advocate here.
Posted by ournamestoolong 7 years ago
ournamestoolong
"Why not wait until you have the time?"

More time for someone to accept.
Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
Why not wait until you have the time?
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
Enter RoyLatham.
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