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TrueblueConservative
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PointyDelta
Con (against)
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School's should arm and train teachers to use firearms

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PointyDelta
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/12/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TrueblueConservative

Pro

I am fairly new to this site, i am not quite sure if i picked the right side so read this first, i believe teachers and/or students should be allowed to lawfully carry concealed weapons.
PointyDelta

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
TrueblueConservative

Pro

Teachers should have the choice to be armed and trained, even if just one teacher is armed, it could save many lives. School shooters would deter from shooting students and/or teachers because they would have opposition. The current system is flawed, what makes you think someone who is about to murder many people will think," oh hey there is a sign I better listen to it" they don't even follow the law, let alone some sign. The children are like sitting ducks to the shooters, like shooting fish in a barrel. I know some will think, "what makes you think the teachers will be responsible and practice proper gun safety?" If we cant trust teachers to carry something in case of an emergency, why can we trust them with our children? Sometimes the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
PointyDelta

Con

Welcome to DDO, btw!

Pro's entire argument rests on one contention- namely,'IF we arm teachers and students, school shootings go down.' I think I've read this right.

Two problems with this.
R1)
Pro produces not a shred of evidence to say that this would (my caps)
a) reduce school shootings
b)be the most efficient method
c) also not cause any secondary problems (gun crime etc.)
This makes it his word against mine. But, the BoP is on Pro, and so he must prove this claim- extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
R2)
Who is we? The government. I'll mainly focus on the government in my points, in order to take out the other pillar of Pro's argument thus far.

POINTS
C1
That the costs of taking such a measure are prohibitive.
Assume the average (legal) [1] gun costs 700$(not really, but an average). There are 98,817 public schools in America. [2]. Assume ten(nice round number, and probably typical) teachers in each. That's 691,719,000$. That's nearly 700 million dollars. That's a lot of money for something that is (C3) inefficient and to prevent a problem that is (C2) fairly rare.
C2
That the relative occurence of school shootings is fairly rare
There have been 74[3] school shootings since Sandy Hook. Compare that with the number of public schools above(not even adding private schools, because they're not the government's responsibility).
C3
That testing if this is efficacious is very hard/impossible to do ethically.
This one should be pretty obvious. If there have been only 74 shootings since Sandy Hook versus 98817 schools, it's pretty hard to have a trial in a 'typical' environs.
Of course, if a teacher wants to carry a lawfully concealed weapon to school to prevent school shootings, that's fine. Second Amendment rights and all that.

1.)Simplification
2.)https://nces.ed.gov......
3.)mashable.com/2014/06/10/school-shootings-since-sandy-hook/
Debate Round No. 2
TrueblueConservative

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
TrueblueConservative

Pro

TrueblueConservative forfeited this round.
PointyDelta

Con

Extend all arguments/rebuttals.

Vote Con!
Debate Round No. 4
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