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KozWanderer
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Schools should have classes with a max of 15 kids.

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Started: 10/30/2013 Category: Education
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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unheard

Pro

I strongly believe that schools should only have a max of 15 people in classes. This helps shy kids stand out and participate more thus growing their confidence. Smaller classes mean teachers focus on each student more. Smaller classes mean you get to know the people in your class more personally. Smaller classes means less chance of conflict and less distractions. This will over all help the education system.
KozWanderer

Con

If you have a maximum of 15 students then it means that you'll have to create more class rooms, hire more teachers and make more buildings which will all cost a heavy price.

You could say by making only 15 kids in one class will decrease the stress of teachers but most of them just handle it simply.

Principles must arrange and sort a mass amount of work if theres only 15 kids because of changes in roll calls, offices, and files unless if someone plans to create a new school.

Socialism is important between kids and kids is important too.



Debate Round No. 1
unheard

Pro

I disagree completely with you.
Students will still have A GREAT SOCIAL life like, they play outside at recess and lunch, as if your not goner make lots of friends. It might cost a lot but look at what it can create. I higher level of academics and social improvement. It will convince kids that have given up on school to come because learning will be easier. Less people on the dole and more people in jobs =more money and tax won't be wasted on stupid people who are to lazy to get a job.
It will be a step in the right direction.
KozWanderer

Con

What you say is true but then again, your only explicit on social life.

"I disagree completely with you" Did you not read all of the points i made? if there is a poll for 15 kids max and they are succesfull, how busy would the teachers, staff ect. would be.

A social life with 15 students is less learning, you learn from others as well don't you. With more student, you'll get a wider education range from everyone. Empircally, what your saying is that friendship is a big factor. It is of course.

How does 15 kids max make a great social life. Why can't i just hang out with my friends closest or your wanting kids to be friends with everyone together or something. At what age do you think "Kid" is.

I've been in small classes and it feels great but having schools with 15 kids per class is little.

How much students are in your school?

In my school, more than 350 but i'll round it off to 300.
300/15= 20. 20 class rooms bro. If your looking for a nomal size room then it should cost about 8000. 8000x20= $160,000 and you need furnitures possibly carpets, lights, cables everywhere and all these things.

Now when most schools should have 15 kids, that is unlikely.



Debate Round No. 2
unheard

Pro

MOST PEOPLE GO OUT SIZE AND MEET OTHER PEOPLE SO THAT SOCIAL LIFE.

THERE ARE 1.500 PEOPLE IN MY SCHOOL. IT MIGHT COST MORE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO INCORPORATE IT IN STRAIGHT AWAY, JUST SLOWLY MAKE 15 CLASSES.

IM MORE CONFIDENT IN SMALLER CLASSES AND IT BUILDS MY CONFIDENCE TO INTERACT WITH MORE PEOPLE.
WHERE WE HAVE MANY SCHOOLS WITCH ON HAVE 10 IN A YEAR LEVEL AND THOSE SCHOOLS HAVE SHOWED HIGHER MARKS.

TEACHERS WON'T WORK THAT MUCH HARDER IT JUST MEANS MORE PEOPLE WILL HAVE JOBS.

IF 15 PEOPLE IN A CLASS WAS TO HAPPEN THE EDUCATION QUALITY WOULD GO UP AND PEOPLE CONSIDERED DELINQUENTS WILL GO TO SCHOOL MORE. STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THEY WORK AND ARE MORE LIKELY TO GO TO SCHOOL IF THEY ARE IN A SMALL CLASS WITH THEIR OWN. THIS WILL MEAN LESS LAZY PEOPLE ON THE DOLE AND MORE MONEY TO BE GIVEN TO SCHOOLS.
KozWanderer

Con

Your saying the same thing but extended it a little.

"THIS WILL MEAN LESS LAZY PEOPLE ON THE DOLE AND MORE MONEY TO BE GIVEN TO SCHOOLS."

Lets define "lazy" "unwilling to work or use energy" https://www.google.com.au...

If these lazy asses are unwilling to work then why would they want to teach. Teaching sucks unless your some enthusiest or you have to.

"MOST PEOPLE GO OUT SIZE AND MEET OTHER PEOPLE SO THAT SOCIAL LIFE."

"Students will still have A GREAT SOCIAL life like, they play outside at "recess" and "lunch"

Social life has 2 definitions now.

"PEOPLE ON THE DOLE AND MORE MONEY TO BE GIVEN TO SCHOOLS."

Now find those lazy asses like you said about lazy people doing jobs.

"STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THEY WORK AND ARE MORE LIKELY TO GO TO SCHOOL IF THEY ARE IN A SMALL CLASS WITH THEIR OWN"

What bulls^$t, show me the cr&p.

"TEACHERS WON'T WORK THAT MUCH HARDER"

Teaching take loads of effort according froms my sister and teachers.

"AND IT BUILDS MY CONFIDENCE TO INTERACT WITH MORE PEOPLE."


I've been in classes with more than 20 students my whole life and i have great confidence. So if it builds your confidence it will build everyones confidence?

"IF 15 PEOPLE IN A CLASS WAS TO HAPPEN THE EDUCATION QUALITY WOULD GO UP AND PEOPLE CONSIDERED DELINQUENTS WILL GO TO SCHOOL MORE"

That is your opinion.

Most of your crappy suggestions have no evidence at all.

What 15 students will do
1) More happy classes

2) Builds confidence (suck it up wuss)

If this was achived:

1) low income from all the buildings unless if your planning to make people pay over price which will suck hardcore

2) Government crap

Now go and say more about how friendship is magic and how it builds confidence.















Debate Round No. 3
unheard

Pro

unheard forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
unheard

Pro

There has been studies done that have proven people can learn and teach anywhere, so in conclusion to that people wouldn't need good class rooms.

Confidence wise, some people are born with troubles in confidence, they can not help it. Some people are born with big confidence and that is why it doesn't matter what classes they are in. But studies have shown smaller environments build confidence 76.53% of the time.

A renalysis of the Tennessee star experiment found that smaller class 15-17 pupils have both more short term and long term benefits then bigger. There has been improved test scores, school engagement and less drop outs.

Nber has also found that reducing class size highers attendance rates mainly with poor or black people. They also found smaller classes increases the chance of a college degree.

Governments have found that increased class sizes put more strain on teachers and increase their unemployment rate.

Ontario institute also conducted tests for a year with many schools and year levels and found smaller classes make teachers more engaged and students.

Another study has shown that smaller classes have benefits for all types of achievers high, low or medium.

I think i have given enough evidence.
KozWanderer

Con

KozWanderer forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by WyattEarp19 3 years ago
WyattEarp19
I agree with Pro but he needs factual evidence to support his claims to win.
Posted by TheOncomingStorm 3 years ago
TheOncomingStorm
I've always believed in the pro side. One reason private schools generally have very good education is because of the teacher to student ratio, and teachers are able to work with them more personally. The long term benefits could actually grow the economy significantly, and it could potentially forward America in its educational ranking.
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