Science Vs. Religion
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What was there before Science was even considered? Before Biology, Chemistry or Physics. Before Albert Einstein or Issac Newton? That's right God was. God created science and so religion is better. (In case it was unclear before I shall be arguing from a Christian point of view)
Then, a few hundred thousand/million years later, when religion finally came along, they wrote down their religious beliefs on stone tablets using WRITTEN LANGUAGE and STONE TABLET TECHNOLOGY. Later, after they killed their donkeys because the poor things couldn't keep up with the 5,000 stone tablets (which weighed like 500 lbs each), they invented paper and scrolls. And then they switched to PAPER AND PEN TECHNOLOGY. Again, none of it the precursor of religion.
There simply is no evidence, of any kind, that our caveman ancestors had any preexisting religious beliefs. All that came later, i.e. perhaps once they stopped staring into the woodline to see if a deadly bear was going to eat them; Once they had time look into the sky and see the stars, perhaps then they began to wonder. But clearly, no primates other than man have religious views. Since we descended from a common primate approx 22 million years ago, it only follows that our use of tools came first (even great apes use tools, and they don't have any religious beliefs either). So it's really not a question of "tools or religion first" - it was clearly tools, and therefore SCIENCE.
What else do you have?
You made the statement, now prove it. Prove that man just poofed into existence. Prove that a supernatural entity poofed all of man into existence.
Even if this was the case, it would be a completely useless argument.
The argument isn't "did god come first or tools/science". The argument is whether or not RELIGION came first.
Religion isn't the existence of absence of existence of a deity. It is the existence of a BELIEF:
These are definitions of RELIGION (from Bing):
beliefs and worship: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life
system: an institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine
personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by
Here's the Meriam Webster Definition:
:the belief in a god or in a group of gods
: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods
: an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group
In short, my esteemed opponent is choosing to be wilfully ignorant of the topic at hand, and is consistenly moving the target up and down in order to make his argument more palatable. I believe that even though his original premise was vague, by the 2nd round we had settled on "Science vs. Religion", and not "Science vs. God". He introduced some weird version of a timeline (in about 2 sentences, with no supporting evidence whatsoever), followed by a "thank you and goodnite".
Unfortunately for my opponent, none of this is true. We're not here debating metaphysical half-truths and beliefs. We're here debating THE TRUTH. The truth is that people evolved from animals. We inherited our traits from our ancestors, including the ability to utilize tools. There is no indication whatsoever, in all of science, that we grew our brains and hands out of a need for religion, but rather from a need to utilize tools and survive in our changing environments. There is not even a single argument in all of CREATIONISM (!!!!) which would support my opponent's assertions.
If my opponent would like to devolve this debate into a "creationist" debate, he should have been honest and plastered his Hovind/Cameron/Bananaman apologism all over the first round so that debaters could have avoided his nonsense. He had plenty of opportunities to do so, but I can see the beginnings of "let's all talk about the Ark" and "Ice asteroids falling from the sky to create floods and ice ages". If you would like me to dissect that stuff, we can go there. I can easily destroy those arguments merely from rote memory - I won't even have to google the arguments (they are THAT sublimely stupid). But hey, whatever floats your boat, I guess.
Again: You're moving the target. The issue, WHICH YOU WROTE DOWN, was religion. NOT GOD.
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