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Brendan21
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Harman
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Scientology is a scam

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/27/2010 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Brendan21

Pro

Scientology is for sure a scam. Its founder, L. Ron Hubbard, is quoted saying, "the way to make a million dollars is to start a religion."
Source: www.don-lindsay-archive.org/scientology/start.a.religion.html

This is why it cost money to join, and participate in Scientology. I look forward to my opponent's responses and for the debate to get started.
Harman

Con

Thank you Pro.

I do not know if you are aware of the fact that as the instigator, you bear the burden of proof. You offer no definition for the word "scam", and you offer no proof that Scientology could be considered one, with the sole exception of your quote. Even without a definition of a scam, I can still say that simply because the religions founder said "the way to make a million dollars is to start a religion." If we are arguing whether or not Scientology is a scam, we must assume that it is a business offering a service to its clients. Ergo, if client pay to hear, practice, and participate in Scientology, Pro must prove that the clients are not satisfied with their product. Because Scientology is treated as a business like any other, simply because its founding member stated that giving consumers his particular product is the easiest way to get rich holds no bearing. If another entrepreneur such as Bill Gates were to say the same thing for his product, no one would contest. Pro assumes that because Scientology is a religion, it is not a business. If Pro wishes to debate, Pro must offer a definition for what a scam is, and evidence that Scientology is a scam.
Debate Round No. 1
Brendan21

Pro

I thank con for accepting my challenge.

Scam: a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.

dictionary.com

I will assert that scientology is a scam. Its founder, L. Ron Hubbard is a science fiction author, and not a prophet. Dianetics, a self-help book Hubbard wrote in 1950, is the book of scientology. Scientology was founded in 1952, two years after this book was already published. Hubbard changed his self-help book into a religious text at his whim.

"Scientology teaches that people are immortal spiritual beings who have forgotten their true nature.[4] Its method of spiritual rehabilitation is a type of counseling known as auditing, in which practitioners aim to consciously re-experience painful or traumatic events in their past in order to free themselves of their limiting effects.[5] Study materials and auditing courses are made available to members in return for specified donations."

"Scientology asserts that people have hidden abilities which have not yet been fully realized.[110] It is believed that increased spiritual awareness and physical benefits are accomplished through counseling sessions referred to as auditing.[111] Through auditing, it is said that people can solve their problems and free themselves of engrams.[112] This restores them to their natural condition as thetans and enables them to be at cause in their daily lives, responding rationally and creatively to life events rather than reacting to them under the direction of stored engrams…"

"Auditing is a one-on-one session with a Scientology counselor or auditor.[116] It bears a superficial similarity to confession or pastoral counseling, but the auditor does not dispense forgiveness or advice the way a pastor or priest might do.[116] Instead, the auditor's task is to help the person discover and understand engrams, and their limiting effects, for themselves.[116] Most auditing requires an E-meter, a device that measures minute changes in electrical resistance through the body when a person holds electrodes (metal "cans"), and a small current is passed through them.[112][116] Scientology asserts that watching for changes in the E-meter's display helps locate engrams.[116] Once an area of concern has been identified, the auditor asks the individual specific questions about it, in order to help them eliminate the engram, and uses the E-meter to confirm that the engram's "charge" has been dissipated and the engram has in fact been cleared.[116] As the individual progresses, the focus of auditing moves from simple engrams to engrams of increasing complexity.[116] At the more advanced OT auditing levels, Scientologists perform solo auditing sessions, acting as their own auditors.[116]"

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Obviously, if scientology was a legitamate religion, it would not charge people to take auditing, just as Christians don't charge people for saying confessions or meeting with a pastor. No other religion requires and demands for its particapates to pay good money to be a part of it. These "engrams" are not proven to exist, yet Scientologists say it is these "engrams" that cause all of humans' unhappiness. Obviously, some one down the line made this up out of no where as a way to get free money. It is also interesting that Hubbard registered OT 9, a perfect, on his audits, and is the only person to ever achive this. The profound amount that it costs to be a member is high-way robbery.

Source detailing the costs of Scientology: http://www.xenu.net... and http://www.xenu.net...

Scientologists also believe that an alien lord, Xenu, ruled over many planets. One day, because his planets were over populated, Xenu rounded up countless life forms and froze them in ice. He then had these frozen aliens transported to earth, were he put the frozen bodies around volcanoes and then set off hydrogen bombs around the volcanoes. The aliens were now dead, but their thetans rose out of their bodies. Xenu, forseeing this, had already build huge thetans catchers in the sky to capture and brainwash the thetans with false religions, such as Christianity, Islam, Jewism, and indeed all religions, as a way to confuse and disorinate the thetans. Xenu then released the confused thetans on earth, were they wondered the world until humans came into existance. The thetans then infected humans, causing all of man's troubles to this day. This story is not told to Scientologists until they reach OT III and is regarded as secret knowledge, however it has leaked to the media by ex-scientologists and files.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Scientologists have no proof what so ever that any of the above story ever happened. There are no signs that hydrogen bombs went off in the past, nor any signs that aliens have been to earth. There is no existing evidence that point toward Scientology as a possibility. Scientology also asserts that all religions are false, as proven above, and thus should not even be considered a religion, but more of a cult, if anything.

I conclude that Scientology is indeed a scam for people's money. It has no sound proof that what it teaches is true, and it costs profound amounts to participate in, for seemingly no reason, unless the funds are going into building a rocket ship.
Harman

Con

Harman forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Brendan21

Pro

Expand my arguements.
Harman

Con

Harman forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Brendan21 7 years ago
Brendan21
sounds good*
Posted by Brendan21 7 years ago
Brendan21
that sounds goo DAKegger, i'll challenge u when i'm ready to give this topic a try again.
Posted by DAKegger 7 years ago
DAKegger
Since the con forfeited this round, if you make a new one I'd love to take the con side.
Posted by Brendan21 7 years ago
Brendan21
Extend*
Posted by Brendan21 7 years ago
Brendan21
Thank you for the long return time, Harman.
Posted by Brendan21 7 years ago
Brendan21
hahaha
Posted by InsertNameHere 7 years ago
InsertNameHere
Nooooooooooo!!!!!! I wanted to argue pro! :(
Posted by FREEDO 7 years ago
FREEDO
LOOOL@ this Hubbard guy. I heard that he started the religion based on a bet.
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