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Sea lions are seals

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/20/2015 Category: Science
Updated: 11 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Death23

Pro

The topic should be self explanatory.

Rules:

First round: Acceptance only.

Final round: Rebuttals only. No new arguments.

Pro and Con shall not plagiarize, but may reuse their own work.

You flake, you lose.

You troll, you lose.
Thor.Frommelt

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
Death23

Pro

P1 - Any organism of the taxonomic family Phocidae or Otariidae is a seal.
P2 - All sea lions are organisms of the taxonomic family Otariidae.
C1 - Therefore, all sea lions are seals.

This argument is valid. If the premises are true, then the conclusion must be true.

* "P" is an abbreviation for "premise" and "C" is an abbreviation for "conclusion".

Support for P1 -

Support for P1 comes in the form of encyclopedic and dictionary entries for the word "seal". These references are reputable, sufficiently numerous, and are inclusive of the taxonomic families mentioned in P1. The family names have been emphasized.
  • Encyclopedia Britannica [1]
    • any of 32 species of web-footed aquatic mammals that live chiefly in cold seas and whose body shape, round at the middle and tapered at the ends, is adapted to swift and graceful swimming. There are two types of seals: the earless, or true, seals (family Phocidae); and the eared seals (family Otariidae), which comprise the sea lions and fur seals.
  • Oxford Dictionary [2]
    • A fish-eating aquatic mammal with a streamlined body and feet developed as flippers, returning to land to breed or rest. Families Phocidae (the true seals) and Otariidae (the eared seals, including the fur seals and sea lions). The latter have external ear flaps and are able to sit upright, and the males are much larger than the females
  • American Heritage Dictionary [3]
    • Any of various aquatic carnivorous mammals of the families Phocidae and Otariidae, found chiefly in cold regions and having a sleek torpedo-shaped body and limbs that are modified into paddlelike flippers.
  • Collins Dictionary [4]
    • any of two families (Otariidae and Phocidae) of sea carnivores with a doglike head, a torpedo-shaped body, and four webbed feet or flippers: they live in cold or temperate waters and usually eat fish see also eared seal, earless seal

Support for P2 -

Support for P2 comes in the form of encyclopedic and dictionary entries for the term "sea lion." These references are reputable, sufficiently numerous, and demonstrate that sea lion species are of the family Otariidae, which is also referred to as "eared seals." [1][2] "Otariidae" and/or "eared seal" have been emphasized.

  • Encyclopedia Britannica [5]
    • any of five species of eared seals found primarily in Pacific waters. Sea lions are characterized by a coat of short, coarse hair that lacks a distinct undercoat. Except for the California sea lion (Zalophus californianus), males have lion-like manes and constantly roar to defend their harems (hence their name).
  • Oxford Dictionary [6]
    • An eared seal occurring mainly on Pacific coasts, the large male of which has a mane on the neck and shoulders. Five genera and species in the family Otariidae
  • American Heritage Dictionary [7]
    • Any of several large seals of the family Otariidae, having a blunter muzzle and a thinner coat than the fur seals, especially the California sea lion (Zalophus californianus).
  • Collins Dictionary [8]
    • any of several genera of large, eared seals without underfur, usually living in colonies along the Pacific coastline


Sources -

1 - http://www.britannica.com...

2 - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...

3 - https://www.ahdictionary.com...

4 - http://www.collinsdictionary.com...

5 - http://www.britannica.com...

6 - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...

7 - http://www.ahdictionary.com...

8 - http://www.collinsdictionary.com...

Thor.Frommelt

Con

Thor.Frommelt forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Death23

Pro

This debate is over. Con has lost this debate pursuant to the following rule from round 1: You flake, you lose.
Thor.Frommelt

Con

Thor.Frommelt forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Death23 11 months ago
Death23
w/e I'm gonna get ur voting privileges revoked.
Posted by AngryBlogger 11 months ago
AngryBlogger
My voting is not biased.

Clearly you can't read. I said I would be voting against you IF CON CAN PROVIDE good arguments (obviously if he didn't, I wouldn't vote for con).

Also, you are nothing more than a troll. You have made this debate literally over and over to scam cheap wins. Hopefully the mods remove all these Sea Lion debates you made.
Posted by Death23 11 months ago
Death23
thx for providing all the evidence I need to demonstrate that your voting is biased and should be removed by mods. fyi you definitely have damages. you should bring your grievance to court.
Posted by AngryBlogger 11 months ago
AngryBlogger
Sea Lions ARE SEA LIONS. It's that simple.
Obviously, they would be called seals otherwise. Just because they are classified as seal, doesn't mean they are by default "seal" as obviously distinguishable differences in appearance, and other things than that of a Seal, so therefore, it cannot possibly be a seal.'

Just because a Jack Russel and German Shepherds are both dogs does not mean they are the same. They obviously have differences even in behavior I might add, and everything else, therefore a Jack Russel can't possibly be a German Shepherd.

A white person can't be a black person. Obviously they would have different names, cultures, and behave differently than one another although they are human.

Sea lions are Sea Lions.

The pro continuously spams these debates with copy and paste trickery (I'm assuming he didn't even originally write what he copies and pastes anyways, but that's an assumption, none the less, he can be found copying and pasting the same crap to guilt the con into believing just because a Sea Lion is of seal species, it has to be seal). Just because pro was abused and laughed at like a red headed step child should not sway the voters for picking against him. (Luckily, the con gave up, so this win is an easy one for him).

Are we going to argue that Jiff peanut butter is the same as other brands just because they are peanut butter? I mean this could go on and on. Cats are not the same as tigers, dogs are not wolves, especially considering breeds which are again, obviously have distinguishable differences.

So, it comes down to the Pro being nothing more but a troll who spams these debates cause he's all upset.

I will be voting against him and his Sea Lion debates personally if the cons provide good solid arguments against these shenanigans.
Posted by Diqiucun_Cunmin 11 months ago
Diqiucun_Cunmin
@Death: LOL.
Posted by Death23 11 months ago
Death23
Once upon a time there was a picture of a sea lion with a funny face posted on Imgur, and the OP said something like "This seal has a funny face!" The top comment was something like "That's not a seal. That's a sea lion!" I replied to that comment saying that sea lions are seals, and I got down voted in to oblivion by the Imgur users. These debates are my revenge on all the fools who think that sea lions are not seals.
Posted by Diqiucun_Cunmin 11 months ago
Diqiucun_Cunmin
Essentially 'white horses are not horses'.
Posted by dsjpk5 11 months ago
dsjpk5
You love this debate, don't you?
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Vote Placed by kingkd 11 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: ff
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Reasons for voting decision: Con ff many times, so conduct to Pro.