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23dan2324
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Surrealism
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Send fat people to a government sponsored exercise camp

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Started: 4/13/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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23dan2324

Pro

Like biggest loser on steroids... It would eliminate one of Americas biggest problems
Surrealism

Con

I accept the resolution and since Pro did not specify the debate format, I will make my points now.

Contention One: Economic Disaster

Subpoint A: Determining Fatness

Pro has not defined fatness. How do we determine it? If we try to do it by weight or by Body Mass Index, then very muscular people would also qualify as fat. We could try to do it by amount of fat present in the body, but that would require surgery for everyone in the United States on a regular basis, possibly even yearly. We would have to send out inspectors to every person, otherwise people could simply lie or receive liposuction treatment. We would even have to send inspectors to very rural areas that otherwise are mostly farmland. It would be costly and time-consuming and ruin the federal budget.

Subpoint B: Transportation of Fat People

Even if we somehow manage to limp through the cost-heavy process of determining who is fat, we still need to get them all to the camp. This is even worse than sending out inspectors, because not only do you need millions of vehicles ferrying fat people to the camp and newly thin people back to their homes, but also if the camp is in one place then it could take time to drive all the fat people to airports and clog up the air travel system, during which time you would have to feed them. This could be avoided if the entire Air Force were enlisted as taxis for the fat, but somehow I don't see that happening.

Subpoint C: Maintenance of the Camp

Even supposing that the government can determine who is fat and easily transport them to a camp, sustaining the camp itself would be a monetary disaster. The government would have to pay for millions of people to be fed each day, and also to pay for thousands of trainers and counselors. To prevent campers from escaping, the camp would need to be in a remote area with thousands of armed guards. To keep track of all this, the camp would need to have an entire government bureaucracy built around it, swallowing up even more cash.

Subpoint D: Productivity Loss

Many of these fat people will have jobs that they'll have to quit in order to go to this camp. In addition to a huge loss of taxpayer money, millions of companies around the country will have to find new employees. Also, these fat people leaving will drive down revenue for not just big fast food corporations, but also for local restaurants as well. Millions will lose their jobs because they work at a company that can no longer afford to keep them. Not only will this harm the companies, but the companies will now have less to pay the government in revenue tax, meaning even less money to fund the camp.

Contention Two: Moral Implications

Many of these fat people will have family and friends they'll be leaving behind, which will be emotionally devastating not only to them, but also to the families who won't be able to see their own flesh and blood again. Additionally, because the fat people are being forced to go to this camp, it's essentially an internment camp. One of the founding principles of the United States was the idea of liberty - that people should be able to do what they want so long as it doesn't harm anyone else. This exercise camp stomps on that idea and tears it to shreds.

Additionally, you have not explained what benefit you expect to reap from this.
Debate Round No. 1
23dan2324

Pro

I appreciate your attempt to try to contend with my superior intellect. Obviously you are perfectly content with keeping one of Americas biggest problems a problem. Fat people have not shown the willingness to not be fat anymore so we need to do it by force, food at the camp wont be expensive because we wont feed them(reason why they are there). After 6-12 months they will not be fat anymore and it will be a good time for the government to show off an efficient socialist example
Surrealism

Con

The first sentence is an ad hominem attack.

You haven't explained to me how you're going to tackle the logistics of figuring out who is fat, transporting them, hiring guards, hiring trainers, and dealing with the general economic and emotional turmoil it would create.

If we don't feed people for six months they won't be skinny - they'll be dead. Fat people don't become skinny by not eating, they become skinny by eating in the correct proportions. Even the skimpiest diet will cost millions of dollars for just one day.

Also, you haven't explained how violating people's freedom and forcing them to be skinny will prevent them from just becoming fat again or how it will prevent others from becoming fat in the future or why we even need to force these people to go to this camp to being with.
Debate Round No. 2
23dan2324

Pro

23dan2324 forfeited this round.
Surrealism

Con

More or less expected.
Debate Round No. 3
23dan2324

Pro

23dan2324 forfeited this round.
Surrealism

Con

Vote Con!
Debate Round No. 4
8 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 8 records.
Posted by AMcCormack21 3 years ago
AMcCormack21
I believe this is a good idea but it would never happen due to the cost. Plus i agree with benshapiro, shneeba u just got wrecked.
Posted by 23dan2324 3 years ago
23dan2324
no he is avoiding a problem
Posted by Benshapiro 3 years ago
Benshapiro
at this point in the debate con just gave you an intellectual backslap
Posted by 23dan2324 3 years ago
23dan2324
yes its a simple solution
Posted by hfoxypants7 3 years ago
hfoxypants7
Con is overthinking the resolution
Posted by 23dan2324 3 years ago
23dan2324
take my on im totally serious this is all part of the beginning of the creation of a thriving socialist society
Posted by Macumba 3 years ago
Macumba
Great idea! We should take machetes and simply slice and dice their fat into sushi rolls and feed it to the homeless youth.
Posted by Teemo 3 years ago
Teemo
This is a horrible resolution.
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