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kannonuk4
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Jokerdude
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21 Points

Seperation Of Church and State

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/24/2008 Category: Religion
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,165 times Debate No: 2169
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kannonuk4

Con

As i have commented on earlier threads government especially in the united states is supposedly written by the people for the people and therefore having church and state unified takes away this Right granted by the united states Constitution as the majority maybe Christian but what about the other religions who will suffer persecution as a result. look at england (my previous home land) where there is no separation. in secular school students are forced to pray in ways that contradict their ideals and beliefs and they cannot speak up to stop this (but that is digressing from the topic) i feel that in order to make a government based truly on the people it needs equal representation and no interference from Christianity or any other religion!
Jokerdude

Pro

Well i guess ill start with one argument and see where it goes

1. The US constitution does separate church and state rendering my opponents arguments moot.

So yeah thats basically it for now
Debate Round No. 1
kannonuk4

Con

kannonuk4 forfeited this round.
Jokerdude

Pro

So yeah i guess he concedes to the point which since thats the case vote neg because of this and the reasons posted above
Debate Round No. 2
kannonuk4

Con

sorry i was unaware of time allocated for this event and i cannot make anyfurther point as you have made none to show your favor and it would seem you joined this debate for the sake of it and share no interest if this is not true please prove me wrong!
Jokerdude

Pro

Well at this point im bewildered, I think you chose the wrong side. But yeah I guess i sorta win by default since you really haven't answered much Whatever
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by impactyourworld89 9 years ago
impactyourworld89
SolaGratia and others commenting on this debate:
The phrase, "Separation of Church and State" comes from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association when they were concerned that a national denomination would be forced. (i.e if the president was a baptist, everyone would be) Jefferson said that that wouldn't be the case, that there would be a "virtual wall of separation of church and state"
But Jefferson cannot be considered the expert on the constituion since he was in Europe at the time the constitution and the bill of rights was being debated and ratified. If you look at the library of congress you can see what was said at the first constitutional convention. During the months that the first amendment was being debated, the phrase "separation of church and state" was never mentioned. You would think that if it was the intent, or that is what they implied, it would have come up at least once.
Posted by SolaGratia 9 years ago
SolaGratia
That's true. Didn't the phrase come from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to some concerned Presbyterians who thought a national church was being established?
Posted by psipike06 9 years ago
psipike06
JokerDude & Kannonuk4,

I think we need to clear a few things up here; the United States' Constitution does not provide for the seperation of the Church and State, anywhere. The *only* item in our supreme law about church and state is where it states that the U.S. government will make no law establishing a national religion. Rights can not taken away from any U.S. citizen by the church as rights are guaranteed by the Constitution and cannot be abridged without the consent of the governed. That said, the church is free as any other entity or individual to press for further expansion of beliefs within our representative democracy as directed by the people.
Posted by kannonuk4 9 years ago
kannonuk4
oh i just realised that oops i really screwed up big time with this one oh well im new to the sight and was not paying attention i appologise and resign for not paying close enough attention
Posted by JOEYMER21 9 years ago
JOEYMER21
kannonuk4 you are pro separation of church and state, not con.
I could not believe they put explanations beside pro and con but now i see that this is not enough for some people
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