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Shapeshifting Reptilians

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Started: 11/5/2014 Category: Religion
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Blackyblue

Con

I would like to debate with somebody that actually believes in the shapeshifting reptilians that are espoused by alternative thinkers such as David Icke, and would like to give someone that thinks that they can prove that the shapeshifting reptilians really do exist and possess world leaders and feed off human energy and operate just outside of visible light, the chance.
So come on, prove it to me.
cb123

Pro

The first point I would like to start with is all humans brains are made up of three parts, the oldest of these parts is the reptilian brain, it is the part of the brain which controls all of our bodys vital functions such as heart beat, temperature, balance ect but it also controls basic emotions which were needed for survival before we evolved into what we are today such as fear and anger from these basic emotions are created more in depth emotions but most of which formed from the reptilian brain are negative, the act of murder by way of rage or theft by way of fear or jealousy are directly associated with our reptilian brains it represents the animalistic, most pre evolutionary form of our human brains it is also the part of our brain which is compulsive, instinctive and self preserving. It is the first part of the brain to develop within a growing human fetus but has barely evolved at all since our beginnings as humans.
The second point is the growth and early stages of a human fetus itself, during the first weeks in the womb a fetus' eyes are on either side of its head facing outwards, its ears are turned inwards and the fetus actually has what are refered to as scales covering the body before skin begins to grow, an examined early fetus has many physical reptilian attributes.
The reason I make these two points is to show that reptilian form both physically and mentally occurs in all humans and has done since the beginning of evolution.
Now onto shapeshifting reptilians, I do not believe literally in what David Ike says, but I do believe he makes some very valid points, I believe that there are a minority of people and systems who control the majority of the human race and do so for masonic/satanic reasons, I believe these people are a negative force who brainwash the majority of the population to both keep the population ignorant to there power as individuals which has been given by God, these people are in tune with Satan and there ultimate goal is to feed off of our god given energy to try to empower Satan as well as creating a world and a population who are against Gods teachings.
Satan is represented throughout history as a reptile or snake, this is a direct analogy to our human reptilian brains, the most basic, compulsive and savage part of our brains, if you can imagine when Adam and eve in the garden of Eden ate the forbidden fruit they were being controlled by there reptilian brain hence the representation of the snake tricking them, is actually not a literal snake but the reptilian brain being controlled by Satan.
These modern shapeshifters are being constantly controlled by Satan and are slaves to there reptilian brains, they may even begin to appear reptilian physically at times as they may seem intelligent and powerful they actually are quite childlike and one dimensional as they are not spiritually evolving in the same way as us, they are actually digressing back into the fetal reptilian state at times as Satan has no real power in comparison to God. These shapeshifters have no real understanding of what it is like to have a brain like the majority of us which if we used properly would give us a higher understanding of our lives, surroundings and capabilities, they do not understand compassion or love. They keep us ignorant and keep our minds controlled.
Debate Round No. 1
Blackyblue

Con

Yes, human brains are made up of three parts, however the Reptilian brain is not one of those three parts, as the three parts that make up the brain are the forebrain, midbrain, hindbrain. The brain is widely believed to have evolved from chordates and arthropods - between 570 and 555 million years ago, and its general architecture is shared with the most elementary animals such as insects. Anyway, the Reptilian brain, is actually correctly known as the Triune brain which was proposed by an American physician and neuroscientist Paul D. MacLean, drawing on comparative neuroanatomical work done by Ludwig Edinger, Elizabeth C. Crosby and C. J. Herrick early in the twentieth century.. MacLean originally formulated his model in the 1960s and propounded it at length in his 1990 book The Triune Brain in Evolution. However, this hypothesis is no longer espoused by the majority of comparative neuroscientists in the post-2000 era. The hypothesis became familiar to a broad popular audience through Carl Sagan's Pulitzer prize winning 1977 book The Dragons of Eden, and today it is espoused by the likes of David Icke, who uses is at part of his evidence to prove his reptilian shapeshifters, and with Carl Sagan being a major figure in the Salem one world new-age religious movement, we can clearly see that the hypothesis is getting continued by booksellers and Charlatans in order to suit Religious ideologies and to make money. They choose to build a religion based upon one Scientific theory, fail to accept it is just a theory, document it like it is fact, and yet fail to accept the findings of the Scientific community when they debunk those theories stating that the Triune brain actually exist in amphibians and fish as well as mammals and sauropsids. Because the basal ganglia are found in the forebrains of all modern vertebrates, they most likely date to the common evolutionary ancestor of the vertebrates, more than 500 million years ago, rather than to the origin of reptiles. Also, although it is wrong to say that the Triune brain is linked to structures related to territoriality, ritual behavior and other "reptile" behaviors, as birds also share this part of the brain, Birds have been shown to possess highly sophisticated cognitive abilities, such as the toolmaking of the New Caledonian crow and the language-like categorization abilities of the African grey parrot and they have a trait of parental care of offspring, which is highly evolved behaviour. Now, moving onto your argument regarding the fetus. To begin with, the fetus stage does not even begin until the ninth week of pregnancy. Before this, it is at the embryonic stages. And i really do not see how just because something may look reptilian like, that this is definite proof that we are part Reptoid. This sounds like the kind of argument would be put forward by a Charlatan just trying to find any old simile he can pass as evidence in order to continue selling sensationalized information. It is actually not even psuedo science, it is anti science. And anyway, before even the embryonic stage, the seed is kept inside the testicle and looks more like tadpoles or maggots, so if i base my hypothesis solely on looks, then i guess i would have to say that we are maggotoids. Ok, now onto your points about reptilian shapeshifters. Firstly, there are secret societies, that is a fact. Among them, are the freemasons, speculative society ect We even have some people say that there is an illuminati, however i personally think they are mistaken for the Crown, and a Camarilla, as the bavarian illuminati was outlawed by a Royal named Charles Theodore, and there is absolutely no proof that the Illuminati continued beyond this point as a neferious global network that manipulates mankind from Nibiru, and has done since Alalu departed on a journey to find monotomic gold, stumbling upon earth in his Chariot of fire, and then creating the cabals of cain, the olympians, the illuminari of Atlantis, all leading up to the babylonian brotherhood. There is a difference between what is factual and provable, and therefor acceptable, and what is mythological, unprovable, and therefor only acceptable as a belief, but unacceptable as a fact, and by the fact that today, we do have secret societies, and yes, we even have a church of Satan, founded by Anton Lavey, which is very closely tied to Scientology which likes to try find psuedo scientific facts to back their Satanic beliefs, However where is the actual proof for their religious beliefs? In the old testament? In earlier writings such as the Sumerian tablets or the Emeralds? I personally am not saying that god and satan do exist or dont, i personally take a uniterian stance, and accept all beliefs as beliefs, and am not irreligious, despite being unreligious, but what does my POV matter? it is just a POV. As are the POV's of preachers and new-age gurus's that try to feed us their beliefs like they are facts, and they are not, they are merely beliefs, and there is no hard evidence for god nor satan. Also to say that the Anunnaki are keeping us from realising gods teachings, thus keeping us slaves and monotomic gold diggers confusing us with the curse of babel, which sounds a little bit like the opinions of the born again seventh day adventist and ex elite Satanic cultist/Golden dawn member Roger Morneau from a trip into the supernatural, who believes that he witnessed all kinds of channeling of Satan and espouses that the entire evolution theory is a hoax perpertrated by Scientologists at the guidance and instruction of high priests channeling Satan himself and thus creating the evolution hoax in order to prevent us from believing in god. However, this is nonsense, as the evolution theory neither confirms the existence of an intelligent designer nor debunks it. There is no proof that anything is simply able to spontaneously appear, and logic would reason that everything requires creating. The only thing it does is perhaps blows a hole in certain religious beliefs, and their biblical fallices that has given religious institutions and churches a billion pound industry and has seen shems such as the pope in the vatican very powerful people, so of course, they dont always want to accept mainstream science when it could blow a hole in their more psuedo scientific claims that keep them in power. Now, you go onto mention the garden of eden and how it symbolises the reptilian brain. I would first just like to congratulate you on solving one of the age old mysteries and finally being able to confirm to everyone the true story regarding the garden of eden. However, there is no one theory for the true meaning behind the story of the garden of eden. Each individual theory and explanation holds equal compelling evidence. As does the kundalini explanation, as does the forbidden fruit being a magic mushroom/LSD, as does Jesus Christ himself being actually an LSD Cult, then there is the magic mushroom cult of Santa Claus, which all originates from the belief that the forbidden fruit in the garden of eden eaten by eve was LSD. As does the translations of the Sumerian tablets that would suggest that Adam and Eve where actually Adamu and Ti-Amen (Ti-Amet, cant remember which) and where genetically modified by Enki, and their forbidden fruit might have been their nakedness, and there is a whole host of other remarkable and equally compelling theories that i know of, and i have a few theories of my own, but there is nothing which can be passed off as hard fact and everything is at the debatable stages and still being researched, with nothing conclusive coming from it. One of the most compelling pieces of evidence of ancient intelligence comes from the word YAH, itself, as YAH translates as our basic genetic code, and is symbolised by snakes making the letter 8. However, this is not proof in anyway shape or form for us being Reptoids, but it may suggest that there was ancient intelligence, which i am not against, as we just have to look at the universe and reality as a whole to know that an incredible intelligence exists, but again, this does not prove a reptoid theory. On the otherhand, the exclamation to god being so similar to our genetic code, could just be a coincidence. Do coincidences like this happen? of course they do, and we help create those coincidences by they way we percieve them. Oh, and before i forget, Satan, as you say, being depicted as a snake throughout history, is not quite true. Satan, known as the Devil in Christian folklore, has many fronts, and at his roots he is an angel of light, a jinn. Snakes in ancient Egypt where used as symbols to depict evil, and i would not say that this became a symbol of evil because the ancients knew about reptilian shapeshifters, but possibally because they knew about the poison of snakes and how quickly they can kill, and thus, evil.
As for the rest of your post, i put it to the jury that this is simply your POV, or the POV of a guru or cult, and that you nor they have any evidence for any of the religious claims that you go into great detail explaining. How you or anyone could ever know this is almost impossible, is dependent upon a mixture of belief and imagination, and at the core, the evidence for any of this comes down to cave drawings, and believing that ancient mythologies where anything more than just theories and stories. You believe that they where allegories for real events, yet if you are to believe ancient mythologies are based upon real events, then you must believe that Horus was cut into a thousand pieces and sowed back together by Anubis with fresh air breathed into his lungs to bring him back to life again. Or perhaps you believe it was an allegory? an allegory for what exactly? i put it to you, that it was a story, a legend, a myth, a belief!
cb123

Pro

The reptilian brain does exist, it is the oldest part of the triune brain. The reptilian brain, also known as the R complex, named so because it encompasses structures that did not change much from reptile to man. It includes the basal ganglia and cerebellum, and controls pretty much everything that a reptile can do: breathing, walking, appetite, sensation, simple motor reactions to the environment, etc. It also relates to our instinctive behaviours such as territorialism and compulsive/ritualistic thinking. The mammalian brain which encompasses structures that are unique to mammals but similar across mammalian species. These structures belong to the limbic system and are dedicated to processing emotion and memory. Anything your cat can do, should be either in the reptilian or the mammalian brain. Anything it can't do, is in the third part of the triune brain and the neocortex, found in primates, which is involved in higher order functions such as language
Now, this is an oversimplification both structurally and functionally. For example, birds don't fit this theory very well because they don't have much of a limbic system, but do have some impressive problem solving skills. And functionally, these functions are interrelated in man, who can, for example, experience moral disgust which bridges higher-order and emotional functions. This is why the triune brain is the kind of thing you would find in an undergraduate psychology textbook, but it's not the kind of thing neuroscientists talk about among themselves, but without the reptilian brain we could not exist or function as we know today, we would actually not have evolved at all without it, so it does certainly exist.
In our modern lives it is the reptilian brain which holds us back, everything we do travels through our reptilian brain then into our mammalian brain and finally into our neo cortex in order for us to think about it and produce the action, but it begins in our reptilian brain because our reptilian brain is instinctual it is only worried about keeping you as an individual warm and safe, it does not want you to be adventurous or for you to use your higher thought processes which are God given in order to think things through in a calm contemplative manner, it wants you to react instinctively focussed on survival not on such things as compassion, love, pity ect which would be thought processes directly associated with religious teachings and/or our own realisation of what is good/right.
In todays society we are being controlled mentally by groups of masonic humanoids who are essentially being controlled by Satan, the masses are controlled through use of media, political system and religious/cultural upbringing to give in to our reptilian brains in mass, through these systems of mass manipulation we are not encouraged to think through things in the ways in which we are capable, we are instead encouraged to react using only our reptilian brains which keeps us as the majority easier to manage and coerce by those who are in control of us.
The thing that sets us apart as humans from all other mammals is our neo cortex, the most complex and intricate part of our brains and is our ability as humans to use our imagination and higher thought powers, if we were not in a state of manipulation we as individuals would realise our infinite power as energy sources and in turn would be closer to a state of higher/evolved consciousness and would have a better understanding for the world around us and our own individual capabilities.
Also as far as your last paragraph is concerned just because something is all in your mind or imagination does not make it false, we are all unique individuals and what makes us unique from one another is our minds and imaginations, so something being all in your own individual mind without definitive proof from outside sources does not make that it untrue, we live within the reality of our minds, so your own personal reality cannot be debated by others as if it is your reality in your mind then it is your own individual truth. So a belief or faith in a god is persons individual truth as is the belief in mythology or anything else, what's true in your mind is your truth, the point is the power and the capabilities of our minds as humans is our individual connection with our creator.
So are shapeshifting reptilians real, I believe so but I do not believe it to be as simple as people who change physically in and out of a reptillian body, but rather a state of mind, a reptilian state is a state without higher consciousness and understanding of the world around us, a state that keeps the population sleeping and unaware of what there evolved god given brains are capable of and reptilian shapeshifters are those who enforce this mass sleep state.
Debate Round No. 2
Blackyblue

Con

Ok, regarding your first two Paragraph's, It's brilliant. It is an accurate description of what Paul D. MacLean described the Triune Brain to be. You make it sound credible and scientific. However it is meaningless, as modern day science has completely debunked this theory and state that it is not a reptilian brain. Also, you just have to look into Paul D Maclean's profile, and something worrying emmerges. For all he was a very intelligent man, and i do not doubt his sincerity. He received the Distinguished Research Award of the Association for Research in Nervous and Mental Disease in 1964, also received the G. Burroughs Mider Lectureship Award from the NIH in 1972. He also attended Yale, and was obviously a remarkable man with great credentials. However, he was also the son of a Presbyterian minister, and this to me would suggest that he had great religious beliefs giving him motivation to defend his R-complex theory, and also to use his position to try explain things biblical. However i will acknowledge that this mans work is probably the most honest in the truth movement, because what his work has opened doors for, is for Charlatans and work thiefs. The psuedo-scientific explanations of the Presbyterian ministers son, have been used by conspiracy theorists to give credence works such as The Secret Doctrine, written by Helena Blavatsky in 1888, and claims to be revealing ancient occult esoteric knowledge regarding how the human-race dates back millions of years and talks about root races that developed in legendary kingdoms such as Atalantis and Lemuria, and it is works like this, that have possibally been used as a narative for fictional films such as Conan the Barbarian, V, and other works which Charlatans like David Icke seem to think is a bastion of truth. The Triune brain hypothesis is used by ufologists to explain Alien abduction claims, such as those by Herbert Schirmer. Also works by Alice Bailey who was a huge religious occultist, makes claims similar to those, and those are also used by the likes of David Icke to prove his 12 foot giant shapeshifters. Now, i respect that you have already said that you do not entirely support the claims of David Icke, however lets not gloss over what Reptilian shapeshifters actually are, according to todays mainstream new-age guru's. They are tall, blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the Alpha Draconis star system, now hiding in underground bases, are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy against humanity. most of the world's leaders are related to these reptilians, including George W. Bush of the United States, and Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom. The Reptilians are here on Earth for its precious metals, specifically for "monatomic gold," a mineral that can increase the carrying capacity of the nervous system ten thousandfold. After ingesting it, the reptilians can process vast amounts of information, speed up trans-dimensional travel, and shapeshift from reptilian to human form. They are also thought to operate the Moon-Spaceship. Also they are the cause of "human genocide, the mass slaughter of animals, sexual perversions which create highly charged negative energy, and black magic ritual and sacrifice which takes place on a global scale. Now, you just have to look at the work of Helena Blavatsky, which Icke practically uses in it's entirety, and you can see a huge amount of racism and bigotry seeping into the reptilian theory, and it is no wonder that David Icke gets accused of anti-semitism when he uses the drip drip technique to copy and paste the work of bigots. Just read the The Secret Doctrine, and see how Blavatsky describes the Aryans as God informed men above all other inferior races intellectually. Who else was a fan of the Aryan race? well of course, Adolf Hitler. Now, whether or not disinformationalists that choose to buy, modify, and sell, works of anti-semetism and bigotry, such as The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion, and all the other works out there, deliberately, is debatable, but there is no doubt that at the roots, those are secterian and works of bigotry, and when Icke, and other believers, describe the dark forces of Reptilians, they have no idea that, not only are they being discriminative towards the reptilian species, but are actually using allegory to depict the alien, and alienating, nature of global capitalism. Also, the Aryans are supposed to be directly related to the reptilians, and therefor the belief that the Aryans have secretly ruled mankind for Millennia, is actually White Supremacy. Something similar to beliefs held by groups such as the KKK and Combat18, and this would explain why one of Ickes biggest supporters is Kirk Lyons, a white nationalist lawyer who has represented the Ku Klux Klan. Another huge source used to give credit to The Reptoids is the last zulu shaman, Credo Mutwa, who reckons that in order to access this information he committed Homosexual acts, Necrophilia, Cannibalism, and an act so sordid it cannot be repeated. Well if he admits to Homosexuality, Necrophilia, Cannibalism, what is an act so sordid it cannot be repeated? i personally think it is Paedophilia. Now this man believes in Chitauri, and believes that Chubaka and other star-wars figures are real, and that he has actually met those figures. Then we have paranoid schizophrenics like Arizona Wilder. Seriously, can you not see? the entire Reptilian hypothesis behind its literal exterior is made up of members of the far far right, weirdos, freaks, and Charlatans, aswell as racists and bigots.

You then go on to talk about Satan and secret societies.

Firstly, there is no more proof for Satan possessing humans, than there is that Jesus was born to a virgin. There is no society bigger than The Crown. Crown owned this Crown owned that ect.
cb123

Pro

Unless you are claiming that the brain stem does not exist in humans, then the existence of the reptilian brain the oldest part of the triune brain is not merely a theory described by MacLean and a small minority of insincere scientists who may be "compromised" by religious upbringing or fraudulent charlatans. It is absolute fact, you seem to be misunderstanding what the reptilian brain actually is, or is referring to. Its referring to the top of the brain stem which exists in reptiles, it continued to exist into the evolution of mammals and continues still to exist in our human brains, it is in essence to simplify actually our brain stem, where all of our information initially begins before moving on to the more evolved parts of our brains and then in turn to more evolved thought processes, it controls the actions which essentially need no or very little thought, such as breathing, heartrate but also our instinctive and animalistic emotions and reactions, which would include our instincts to keep warm, to mate or to keep away from dangerous situations, the same things a reptile would "think" about but remember all of our thought processes must firstly go through the brain stem/reptilian brain, which is pre evolutionary which creates often conflicting messages for us as beings living in our current evolved world. For instance fear, what is it, it is the anticipation of danger or something that will negatively effect you, note the word anticipation, meaning it has not yet happened and generally never does, but fear would be an instinctual emotion which effects our lives negatively, we may stop ourselves doing things to better our lives or the lives of those around us but never do out of fear, of something that will often never happen, I am concentrating on this as it is your reptilian brain which is enforcing such irrational emotions in our everyday lives be it fear, anger, addiction, jealousy.
You may not believe in Satan as far a religious scripture may describe, but almost all people will accept whether believers in religion or a God, that there is a universal law in evolved human society of good and bad, to kill another person deliberately is inherently bad, circumstances may vary, but within all societies and cultures it is essentially wrong and against our human social code to eg kill. So whether you believe in the satan of religious doctrine, most would accept that good and bad exists within the world we live in. My claim is that your reptilian brain is the cause for the bad actions carried out by individuals, and that our reptilian brains hold back the true evolution of our human brains, my personal beliefs in religious scripture would conclude that bad or evil is caused by satan, but even without the belief in a satan or indeed a God the theory still stands.
Now you have not really argued with my point on the existence of shapeshifting reptilians, I am not quoting David Icke, the question being debated is not if David Icke's theories are true or false but if shapeshifting reptillians may exist. I have given my theory, that reptilian shapeshifters is not the necessary existence of 12 foot, blood drinking snakes but rather of a group of people who are completely under control by there reptilian brains in order to do bad and who are in positions of power over the majority to keep the majority under there influence as an attempt to keep society limited to the use of there reptilian brains, rather than realising a point of higher consciousness and understanding.
Your point on anti Semitism is rather irrartional in my opinion and has no weight within this debate, although some of whom conspiracy theorists claim to be shapeshifters happen to be of jewish ancestry many others are not and of course Judaism is a religion and the belief in a God, if you are a Satanist you cannot also be jewish as its an obscene contradiction.
So reptilian is a mind state rather than a physical effect this is my theory that I am arguing
Debate Round No. 3
Blackyblue

Con

No, i am not claiming the brain stem does not exist. This would be as crazy as certain factions within the conspiracy world that still reckon that the Earth is flat. What i am claiming, is that the triune brain hypothesis is inaccurate, based not only on the fact that modern science say's it is, but also on the explanation given, that the basal ganglia exist in amphibians and fish as well as mammals and sauropsids, and are found in the forebrains of all modern vertebrates, which would suggest that The Basal Ganglia date to the common evolutionary ancestor of the vertebrates, more than 500 million years ago, rather than to the origin of reptiles. Also, regarding the neocortex, recent studies based on paleontological data or comparative anatomical evidence strongly suggest that the neocortex was already present in the earliest emerging mammals. You just need to look and see that Reptiles only emerged on the planet 320million years ago, when, during the Carboniferous period, they arose from amphibians in the swamps of the late Carboniferous. Therefor, Amphibians, which have a Basal Ganglia, where around before the Reptiles. Now do you see what i mean? i am not saying that the brain or brain stem does not exist, i am saying that the triune brain hypothesis, for the reasons i have stated, is wrong. And yes, the only way that i can see that anybody could make the triune brain hypothesis fit, is if they tried to debunk modern Science by pointing to some book full of unsupported and sensationalized claims that Humanity, and Reptiles, have been around longer than even the common ancestors of vertebrates. So, now do you see how the triune brain hypothesis is infact a Religious claim? Scientific evidence would suggest that the hypothesis is wrong, therefor there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to try mentain it's credibility unless of course one has religious beliefs to protect and try and make excuses for, such as believing in giant shape-shifting reptiles, or other forms of Serpent races and dragons, such as Satan.
Now, i do agree with you regarding "almost all people will accept whether believers in religion or a God, that there is a universal law in evolved human society of good and bad". It is almost self-explanatory, and goes without saying, infact. What does not go without saying, is that it is your Reptilian brain that is the cause of your bad actions. On one level, this could be seen to be discriminitive towards reptiles, which no doubt may seem trivial to some, if not most. However, on a more advanced level, this is actually the anti-semitism i have been telling you about, creeping in. This is an allegory for almost everything alternative truth thinkers believe, in that they are controlled by the illuminati who are zionists and zionists that control everyone, through mass media manipulation, education, banking, religion ect, are to blame for all the wrongs in the world, even wrongs committed by us, is the fault of the zionist regime. One derogatory term for Zionists, is lizards, and i think this is due to the typical hook nose of the Jew that is supposed to bare likeness to a Reptile. Please know, that despite the fact that the conspiracy world claims to be exposing elitests and world leaders, You just have to listen to the accounts of Pedro A. Sanjuan, a former United Nations diplomat, and read, The UN Gang. Doubleday, 2005. p. 165, to learn that many of the conspiracies we hear of today, particularly anti-semitic conspiracies, actually take root from quite high up members of society, even members from within the United Nations, which should show you that a lot of what we actually get fed, is infact political propaganda from far right politicians with far right political agendas.
Quite simply, it cannot be the Reptilian part of our brain that causes us to do bad things, as you say, because the Triune brain hypothesis is wrong, and has been debunked by modern Science just the same as young earth creation, and flat earth, has been debunked. Therefor, to realise that we are controlled and possessed by our reptilian brain, is not going to result in receiving higher consciousness.
cb123

Pro

Your conclusion that the triune brain hypothesis is incorrect, thus making the so named reptile brain a myth is your opinion. As science is based upon theory of individual scientists and there individual opinions. We here obviously differ in opinion, as I believe the triune brain does exist and would agree with MacLean's hypothesis/theory in being correct his model for the evolution of the human brain has been used by many and has made a large contribution to the subject of brain evolution including within psychology, economics and ecology. Many professors teach according to and many scientists accept MacLean's theory on brain evolution.
If you have no belief whatsoever for MacLean's theories then this debate hits a block, as if you believe the triune brain never has been a part of the human brain then a debate that the very triune brain you don't believe exists is the cause for a reptile brain and indeed onto the theory that this reptile brain can be controlled or manipulated becomes void of explanation and proof, but rather a good old debate of differing opinion, I as stated am of the opinion that the reptile brain or R complex exists, I am also of the opinion that there is a God and there is a Satan, that does not mean a grey haired bearded man in the sky vs a red faced creature with a pitchfork, but rather a creator who's ultimate expectations are for humans to do good vs a force which manipulates humans to do bad.
Again for your anti Semitism argument in the context of this debate, Semite does not mean Jewish as Semite is a race and Judaism is a religion, Semites can be of any religion and people who practice the religion of Judaism are believers in the theory of a monotheistic God, which includes a judgement day and an after life. For an individual to claim somebody who is Jewish, is also a Satanist or a member of the occult is a gross contradiction, such people may exist but such people are ignorant and misinformed.
Now your I'm guessing an atheist, so my claims on this debate for you would be hard to grasp, point though is although dragons and serpent races to you seem unbelievable there is no definitive absolute proof for there non existence, it is up to personal belief. I believe we live in a society where the majority of whom are mass manipulated systematically by the powers within society, through media, our political and educational systems, socially and economically and all of this manipulation has a negative effect on individuals, societies themselves and on the world around us. We are within a system that manipulates us to eat foods which contain poisonous chemicals, a system where greed is rewarded, populations are controlled in order to remain in a sleeplike conformist state, we are taught to be materialistic and self obsessed, we will happily waste resources to detriment of the environment and other humans, we are taught to suppress emotions and externalise blame, we as civilisations have stolen from others, colonised lands and peoples and why? As i believe we agreed upon there is a universal human understanding of right and wrong and good and bad, why are we as civilisations inheranty doing bad things, when as individual beings we would not condone or partake in such acts. If we are all merely evolved beings with no purpose and spiritually hold no capability why are we controlled in such a manner by those systems, or is it as has been written in scripture, the masses are controlled and manipulated by Satan and his forces of evil in order to keep us from God and Gods will.
Debate Round No. 4
Blackyblue

Con

Blackyblue forfeited this round.
cb123

Pro

As pro has forfeited, I will not add anymore to the debate and leave voting to be of all previous argument.
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