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Sharingan(Pro) vs Byakugan(Con)

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ElCoyote
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Started: 5/17/2014 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Valtin

Pro

In this debate I will show that the Sharingan is stronger than the Byakugan.
Mangekyou Sharingan not included.
Definitions:

Sharingan: Kekkei genkai found usually on Uchiha clan members, others got the eye by taking it from a Uchiha clan member(i.e.Kakashi).

Byakugan: Kekkei genkai found naturally on the Hyuga clan members, others got the eye by taking it from a Hyuga clan member(i.e.Ao).

Kekkei genkai: "a technique limited to inheritance by blood" or "Bloodline Limit"[1]

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ElCoyote

Con

I thank Valtine for this interesting debate and look forward to a great debate best of luck!! :)

For Round 1 I'll show the basic abilities of the Byakugan (Literally meaning White Eye)

1. People who are born or have this ability are automatically given an immense field of vision. Upon activation it is an automatic 50 metre vision which can be made to be longer with Neji going up to 800 metre's

2. The user is given the ability to see through solid objects and other things intended to hinder sight. It allows the user to avoid ambushes and not be hindered by smoke screens and can tell the difference between clones and the original.

3. This ability allows the user to see chakra flow in immense detail, seeing the pathways and the internal organs. With this they use their Taijustu; the Gentle Fist. With this they can stop Chakra flow immobilizing enemy ninja and opponents and and impossible to block or raise resistance since you cannot train your internal organs to get stronger

With these abilities Hyuga ninjas are extremely deadly in combat being able to see through genjustu and being devastating in close quarters combat and being able to compensate in long-range combat with their extended vision.

More specific abilities of the Byakugan is the ultimate defence Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven. Where the user sends chakra out of every tenketsu in their body and spins rapidly to block and parry all attacks and the size and power can be adjusted to match the situation. It is the Ultimate defence as Tenten mentioned it was more effective than Gaara's Sand.

Byakugan also has a variety of attacks such as the;
Eight Trigrams Mountain Crusher: which sends a large amount of chakra out of the user palms sending opponents flying causing damage.
Eight Trigrams Thirty-Two Palms: A Gentle Fist style attack which shuts down 32 tenketsu in the opponents body disabling the ability to use chakra and move
Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms: Double and faster the 32 palms strikes
Eight Trigrams One Hundred Twenty-Eight Palms: Twice as fast the 64 palm and launches twice the amount of strikes.

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Debate Round No. 1
Valtin

Pro

A1:

The Sharingan's abilities consist of two parts: the "Eye of Insight" and the "Eye of Hypnotism".[1] The first of the Sharingan's powers is being able to see chakra flow. The Sharingan itself gives colour to chakra, allowing the wielder to differentiate them.[2] They are also able to tell if a person is under a genjutsu because the person's chakra flow would be irregular. The Sharingan's second-most prominent ability grants the user an incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to easily recognise genjutsu and different forms of chakra, though not to the same extent as the Byakugan. This also allows the user to pick up on subtle details, enabling them to read lip movements,[3]or mimic any non-kekkei genkai jutsu.[4]
the Sharingan is also able to see through thick fog[5] and other vision-impairing screens.[6] As the Sharingan evolves, gaining more tomoe, this ability extends to being able to track fast-moving objects before finally giving some amount of predictive capabilities to the user, allowing them to see the image of an attacker's next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body and counter-attack or dodge without any wasted movement.[7]

The Sharingan's third and most well-known ability is that it grants the user the ability to copy almost any technique that he or she witnesses, apart from other kekkei genkai techniques. The user can memorise ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu with near-perfect accuracy, allowing the user to use the techniques as their own, or even modify them to create their own new techniques, much like Sasuke Uchiha's Lion Combo. In order to reproduce a copied technique, however, one must have the necessary skill or ability to perform them. A prime example is Rock Lee's brand of taijutsu. While Sasuke was able to copy some of Lee's moves, they put a much more significant strain on him since he hadn't trained nearly as much as Lee had. In addition to physical skill and kekkei genkai techniques, the Sharingan cannot reproduce techniques dependent on other factors, such as summons that the user has not signed a contract with.

The Sharingan's final commonly-used ability is capable of inducing a unique brand of hypnosis that involves suggesting actions and thoughts to the opponent through genjutsu cast by simple eye contact between both parties.[8]

More advanced Sharingan users can take the hypnosis ability even further to the point where a powerful summon like Manda[14] or even a tailed beast may be controlled. It has been stated by Madara Uchiha that the beasts were slaves to those with the blessed eyes.[9] When this was used against Manda and the Nine-Tails, their eyes took on the tomoe pattern of the users' Sharingan while under hypnotic influence. In a similar manner, one can enter a jinch$3;riki's subconscious to effectively suppress the tailed beast's chakra.[10] While this control can be absolute when used on a single target, when cast on multiple ones, it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain said control, giving chance for stronger targets like the tailed beasts to temporarily break free in certain instances.[11][12]

The hypnotic ability coupled with the other aspects of the Sharingan can make the user appear as if they can "see the future". First, the user must perfectly mimic every move their opponent makes and possibly their thoughts and words through careful observation. Then, they suggest an action to the opponent such as hand seals for a technique that the opponent and Sharingan user already know and copy that. With these things done, the user can complete the action even before the opponent does, possibly using the Sharingan's genjutsu to confuse or delay them. As with other genjutsu, genjutsu cast by the Sharingan are capable of putting an opponent to sleep, inducing paralysis, replaying memories to someone else via genjutsu,[13] or creating various illusions to deceive someone or torture the person. The potency of the Sharingan's illusion is dependent on the user's knowledge and skill with implementing genjutsu. Two Sharingan users are also able to free each other from other forms of genjutsu by first using genjutsu on each other, allowing them to enter their comrades mind and free each other from the genjutsu.[14]


"1. People who are born or have this ability are automatically given an immense field of vision. Upon activation it is an automatic 50 metre vision which can be made to be longer with Neji going up to 800 metre's

2. The user is given the ability to see through solid objects and other things intended to hinder sight. It allows the user to avoid ambushes and not be hindered by smoke screens and can tell the difference between clones and the original."

These 2 points only help when the Hyuga member is spying on people, or watching them from a distance, but of course the Uchiha is going to fight the Hyuga in close combat.

"3. This ability allows the user to see chakra flow in immense detail, seeing the pathways and the internal organs. With this they use their Taijustu; the Gentle Fist. With this they can stop Chakra flow immobilizing enemy ninja and opponents and and impossible to block or raise resistance since you cannot train your internal organs to get stronger"

This also is applied to the Sharingan as it can do the underlined, as the Sharingan can precisely predict the attacks of the opponent, this won't be a problem, and since Hyuga can be suspectible to Genjustu, and also the Sharingan can copy the attacks of a Hyuga but that is not case vice versa.


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ElCoyote

Con

. The user is given the ability to see through solid objects and other things intended to hinder sight. It allows the user to avoid ambushes and not be hindered by smoke screens and can tell the difference between clones and the original."

These 2 points only help when the Hyuga member is spying on people, or watching them from a distance, but of course the Uchiha is going to fight the Hyuga in close combat."

"and since Hyuga can be to Genjustu, and also the Sharingan can copy the attacks of a Hyuga but that is not case vice versa."

That isn't true. if that was the case Neji and Hinata would deactivate their Byakugan when they engage in close combat. Hyuga Fighters use their Byakugan with the Gentle Fist which is a kekkei genkai technique so a Sharingan user cannot copy this attack style.

"Because the chakra pathway system is invisible to the naked eye, the Byakugan is required for this style to be used effectively. Since the Byakugan is unique to the Hyuga clan, it has become their signature style of combat."

And Byakugan member's aren't so susceptible to Genjustu;

"the Byakugan's ability to see chakra and its flow allows the user to detect chakra sealed barriers as well as determine when genjustu is being used"

"The Sharingan's final commonly-used ability is capable of inducing a unique brand of hypnosis that involves suggesting actions and thoughts to the opponent through genjustu cast by simple eye contact between both parties.[8]"

This an Byakugan user can avoid, As stated above a genjustu can be connected through eye contact. But a Byakugan user has X-ray vision to counter and this is how. Ao is a ninja who managed to obtain an Byakugan eye which is protected by an eye patch so we do not see it. even though it is covered he still uses it by using it's X-ray vision, therefore a byakugan user can merely close his eyes and still be able to fight at 100% and wont be effected by Genjustu

Plus Byakugan user's can also predict if an opponent will use a ninjustu, for example if an enemy ninja was going to use a justu that shoots fire out of their mouth such as Sasuke Phoenix fire flower, the Byakugan user will see chakra flow into the opponets mouth and be able to plan accordinly

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Debate Round No. 2
Valtin

Pro

"That isn't true. if that was the case Neji and Hinata would deactivate their Byakugan when they engage in close combat. Hyuga Fighters use their Byakugan with the Gentle Fist which is a kekkei genkai technique so a Sharingan user cannot copy this attack style."

No, the Byakugan would not deactivate, Uchiha can use Genjutsu to finish the hyuga and kill him while under genjutsu.

"And Byakugan member's aren't so susceptible to Genjustu;"

you forgot the Izanami Whilst under the effects of the technique, the target stands motionlessly as the loop of events continually replays inside their mind. Each time a loop is repeated, any physical damage incurred is reset as it were before the start of the loop, although the remains of severed appendages do not disappear. The illusion of the user and anyone they were fighting alongside also have any damage reset as well such as the blindness that comes with Izanami. Despite being able to become consciously aware of their situation and act differently, the victim is unable to significantly alter or escape from the inevitable progression of these events. However, because this technique was created to reprimand and save the users of Izanagi, the victim is able to escape the infinite loop if they can acknowledge the real results of their actions and in doing so, accept their fate. In the anime, it's shown that there is no other way to undo this technique even by someone who has complete control over their chakra. The illusion of the caster also seems to be sentient as the illusionary Itachi was shown to be shaking his head when Kabuto futilely tried to undo the technique without accepting his fate first.

"This an Byakugan user can avoid, As stated above a genjustu can be connected through eye contact. But a Byakugan user has X-ray vision to counter and this is how. Ao is a ninja who managed to obtain an Byakugan eye which is protected by an eye patch so we do not see it. even though it is covered he still uses it by using it's X-ray vision, therefore a byakugan user can merely close his eyes and still be able to fight at 100% and wont be effected by Genjustu"

The Uchiha only needs to fight physically and completely put Hyuga under Izanami as shown from Itachi vs Kabuto as Kabuto was covering his eyes to avoid Genjutsu, even tho the Izanami caught him.

"Plus Byakugan user's can also predict if an opponent will use a ninjustu, for example if an enemy ninja was going to use a justu that shoots fire out of their mouth such as Sasuke Phoenix fire flower, the Byakugan user will see chakra flow into the opponets mouth and be able to plan accordinly"

Although I agree that Byakugan users are truly strong, unfortunately the ultimate dojustsu of the Sharingan which is the Izanami(& Izanagi) can trap them in endless loop, even if they are closing their eyes.
ElCoyote

Con

While the Izanagi and the Izanami are immensely powerful in a fight I believe that a Byakugan member can still overcome this.

As stated in my opponents argument above stated that a person can be caught with the Izanami with eye contact with makes it really deadly in close-quarters combat but a person can still escape it
"However, because this technique was created to reprimand and save the users of Izanagi, the victim is able to escape the infinite loop if they can acknowledge the real results of their actions and in doing so, accept their fate"
And when they escape the Sharingan user then cannot use this technique again which then limits the Sharingan user

As for the Izanagi is also useful in a heated battle since it allows the Sharingan user to shrug off a fatal blow (such as when Dan fought against Sasuke and was "Killed" multiple times but managed to shrug it off with the Izanagi) at the cost of being permanently blind in one eye. And the Human has 2 eyes and therefore a Sharingan user will only use this once since he'll need at least 1 eye to see what's happening and therefore be at a disadvantage. or he could risk it and use it again and become blind in both eyes in which he'll be severely disadvantaged in a battle.

I Thank my opponets for this amazing debate I hope you had as much fun as me
Vote Con :)
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ElCoyote 2 years ago
ElCoyote
haha it was my pleasure :)
Posted by Valtin 2 years ago
Valtin
I thank you for debating me, hadn't seen a Naruto fan like me in a while, thanks for the debate.
Posted by Valtin 2 years ago
Valtin
You did not demonstrate it* my bad.
Posted by ElCoyote 2 years ago
ElCoyote
regardlesss i had fun it was a good debate thanks again
Posted by ElCoyote 2 years ago
ElCoyote
oh got it
Posted by Valtin 2 years ago
Valtin
Romani has said izanagi/izanami has plenty of weaknesses, yet in the debate you did demonstrate it.
Posted by ElCoyote 2 years ago
ElCoyote
what?
Posted by Valtin 2 years ago
Valtin
I hate when sometimes people include their personal views instaed of the contents of debate.
Posted by ElCoyote 2 years ago
ElCoyote
I forgot to post in my argument but i wanted to say im having fun valtine thanks again for the argument :)
Posted by Valtin 2 years ago
Valtin
You are free to start your arguments at round 1.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con showed that the Byakugan could be used to avoid Genjutsu, that that the Sharingan cannot be used to copy Hyuga moves, and that the Izanami/Izanagi has plenty of weaknesses to it.