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Shawn Michaels The Greatest WWE Performer Of All Time

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/26/2009 Category: Sports
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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wesmel06

Pro

In my view no WWE Superstar even comes close to The Heartbreak Kid. Shawn Michaels has done everything that there is to do in the wrestling business. Not only has Shawn done everything that there is to do in this business but HBK has also revolutionized this business. In a company that at one time was dominated by big men Shawn was able to climb the ladder (literally) to the top. Shawn introduced us to things like the Ladder Match, Iron Man Match, Hell In A Cell Match, and even the Elimination Chamber Match. Also on his list of firsts Shawn Michaels was the first man to enter the royal rumble at number one and win. Shawn also was the first ever grand slam champion in WWE History. Shawn's performances at Wrestlemania have been so great that the man has even earned himself the nickname of Mr. Wrestlemania. Who else in the WWE has accomplished all of those things? Who else in WWE History has had the career HBK has had?

If you were to strip Shawn Michaels of all of his championship wins, his nicknames, his wrestling firsts, and so on Shawn was/still is an amazing competitor. The man in a wrestling ring works magic. In his 40s Shawn Michaels still puts on better matches than I dare say anyone in the entire company. Watching a Shawn Michaels match is like watching a beautiful picture being painted. Regardless of your position in this debate you cannot deny that. Below is a list I have hand picked of Shawn Michaels matches that have blown me away. After watching these matches one could not deny the point Im trying to make.

1: Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon (Wrestlemania 10)
Jim Ross once said "what are they going to do with a ladder?" Well in this much there isnt much Shawn/Razor did not do with a ladder. In this new match Shawn Michaels paved the way for future ladder matches like the Money In The Bank Ladder Match which they have at Wrestlemania every year. They stole the show with all the things they did. Back and forth these men tortured their bodies to give the fans exactly what they wanted. A wrestling classic!

2: Shawn Michaels vs. Jeff Jarrett (In Your House)
In this match Shawn Michaels won his third and final Intercontinental Title. It was a back and forth match between two of the most talented men in the company at the time. This match has no historical signifigance but it was two pure wrestlers going at it in one hell of an entertaining match. Jarrett tried every trick in the book to win but in the end Shawn Michaels came out victorious.

3: Shawn Michaels vs. Owen Hart (In Your House)
Just like the match above it was just two very talented wrestlers going at it with the winner main eventing Wrestlemania 12 the next month. The start of the match was simply hilarious with Shawn Michaels sliding out of the ring to high five fans. Owen Hart tried the same thing but he didnt receive any high fives which was hilarious. Michaels also walked on Owen Harts back as well as illegally pulling his hair while the referee was distracted several times to the cheers of the fans. After the match was over Shawn celebrated in the ring with a little girl from the crowd. He did his signature pose with the girls on his shoulder. To this day I still watch that match and cannot help but think about how truly awesome it was.

3: Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart (Wrestlemania 12)
This was the first official Iron Man Match. These two greats thrilled the fans for the entire 60 minutes but neither man was able to score a fall. How often do you see that in the wrestling business today? In overtime Michaels nailed Bret Hart and superkicked his way into history winning his first WWE Title.

4: Shawn Michaels vs. Diesel (No Holds Barred)
Not only could Michaels have great matches with other great wrestlers but HBK could also take someone like Diesel and put on a classic. They had already had the match of the year together at Wrestlemania 11 the year before but they did it again here in a no dq match. They threw everything they had at one another. Diesel powerbombed Michaels through the announcers table. Diesel unwrapped his wrist tape putting it around Michaels neck as well as throwing him over the top rope which looked like it nearly choked him to death. Steel chairs were involved. Michaels even grabbed the shoe off of the spanish announcer to use as a weapon. This match left fans on the edge of their seats until the finish.

5: Shawn Michaels vs. Mankind (Mind Games)
Michaels again proves that he can have a great match regardless of his opponents own individual style. Mankind was not known as a great in ring performer but his match with Michaels he admits to being his best ever. In his book Have A Nice Day Mick Foley said that this match was better than he ever expected it to be. Who was the other guy across the ring? The one and only Shawn Michaels.

6: Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker (Badd Blood 1997 & Wrestlemania 25)
Michaels has said that wrestling big men was always very easy. Well his actions in these matches definently speak louder than his words. Not only did Shawn Michaels tear the house down with The Undertaker in Hell In A Cell but Shawn gave The Undertaker his best Wrestlemania match ever. Undertaker is 17-0 at Wrestlemania but only one man ever made him look that amazing. (HBK)

7: Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle (Any Match They Had)
Wether it was stealing the show at Wrestlemania 21 or just wrestling each other on Raw these two men always met the fans expectations. After Shawn lost at Wrestlemania 21 the fans all stood up and clapped after seeing such a great match. How often does that happen? Not very often. In their other matches at Vengeance and their two matches on Raw the fans were always on the edge of their seats waiting for a Sweet Chin Music or The Ankle Lock to come out of nowhere. Truly two amazing athletes giving the fans everything they had.

8: Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho (Any Match They Had)
These two men had their first match at Wrestlemania 19 in 2003. However 5 years later in 2008 these two are still impressing fans everytime they face one another. They stole the show at Wrestlemania 19 and in 2008 the two men had the fued of the year in a rivalry which lasted almost the entire year. Most fueds only last a couple of months at the most. Michaels/Jericho delievered in every match they have had. Vince McMahon was quoted saying that the Michaels/Jericho ladder match was the greatest ladder match that he has ever seen. That is saying something after all this time the ladder match has been around.

9: Shawn Michaels vs. Ric Flair (Wrestlemania 24)
In his emotional last match Ric Flair faced HBK. Shawn Michaels won the match but along the way they told an amazing story. Michaels even hesitated hitting Sweet Chin Music allowing Flair to get the upper hand at one point. With tears in his eyes flair took Sweet Chin Music from a very emotional Michaels ending Flairs career. Michaels gave Ric Flair the send off match that only he could supply.

10: Shawn Michaels vs. Vince McMahon (Wrestlemania 22)
Vince McMahon isnt even a wrestler but this match was still named match of the year by pro wrestling illustrated. HBK took a guy who was limited at best and put on a wrestling classic with him. The elbow drop off of the tallest ladder I have ever seen was really something to see as well lol.

You see it didnt matter who Michaels faced. It didn't matter what type of match it was that he had. Michaels delievers every single time he steps into the ring. Wether it's against a 300 pound man or another 225 pounder HBK was able to bring out the best in all of his opponents. Even made a guy like Vince McMahon look entertaining in the ring. We may never truly know who the greatest of all time is. There are many greats from Michaels to Bret Hart to The Undertaker. However in my view only one man is the greatest ever. Thats HBK Shawn Michaels.

I want to note that I said best WWE Superstar. Not WCW, ECW, and etc.
Debate Round No. 1
wesmel06

Pro

First of all Id like to point out that my opponent has provided us a link to the Hall Of Fame page on the official site of World Wrestling Entertainment. Since Shawn Michaels isnt listed on that page my opponent simply asks who? Who is this Shawn Michaels guy? If he was so great why wouldn't he be in the hall of fame with other greats such as Ric Flair, Bret Hart, and Stone Cold Steve Austin? There however is a very good explanation.

You see the WWE Hall Of Fame is for retired wrestlers. Yes some of them are some of the best of all time but the one thing they all have in common is that they are also inactive. They don't wrestle. Shawn Michaels is still wrestling. Shawn Michaels is still going strong twenty years after his debut in the WWE in 1988. That makes his entry into the WWE Hall Of Fame impossible at this point in time. In the future Michaels will no doubt be inducted. The link that my opponent has provided is irrelevant to this debate. Just because Shawn Michaels is not currently in the hall of fame does not mean that he isnt considered quite possibly the best of all time. For someone who isnt a big fan of wrestling they might have been fooled but this really does not matter at all.

To further prove this wrong many of Shawn Michaels' peers have been quoted calling him the best. Chris Jericho has said that Shawn Michaels in his opinion was the greatest ever. Vince McMahon the owner of the WWE has said that Shawn Michaels is in a class all by himself. CM Punk has been quoted saying that Shawn Michaels was the biggest star in wrestling back in the 1990s. Triple H has said that Shawn Michaels is the greatest wrestler that he has ever stepped into the ring with. Ric Flair when he was inducted into the Hall Of Fame in 2008 even told Shawn Michaels that he was better than Flair himself. Ric Flair told a story about how his son asked if Flair could do a moonsault like Shawn Michaels. Flair said no. He also said that's when he knew that Michaels had passed him by.

You see just because Michaels has yet to be inducted into the Hall Of Fame has nothing to do with how his peers feel about the man. Most will admit that Shawn is one of the best if not the best ever. Most admit that Shawn is arguably still the best in ring performer today 20 years after his debut.

For those of who who want to know where all of those quotes came from I will give my sources.

Chris Jericho, Vince McMahon, & Triple H - Heartbreak & Triumph The Shawn Michaels Story DVD.

CM Punk- The Greatest Superstars Of The 1990's DVD

Ric Flair- Wrestlemania 24 DVD (Hall Of Fame Disc)

I can't wait to see how you'll twist my words around to your advantage lol.
InfraRedEd

Con

http://www.totalprosports.com...

We have not heard the end of this you may be sure.
Debate Round No. 2
wesmel06

Pro

My opponent has provided another link that has nothing to do with our debate. There isnt even a mention of Shawn Michaels involved in the link. You could have just said pass....lol.
InfraRedEd

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
wesmel06

Pro

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InfraRedEd

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
wesmel06

Pro

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InfraRedEd

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by cmvyas 6 years ago
cmvyas
The infrared guy seriously don't have any knowledge about Wrestling. "wesmel" the pro guy, I really feel pity for you. I can see people with no knowledge at all.

Heart Break Kid if not the greatest is surely one of the greatest player of all time. He had everything from the point of view of wrestling as well as entertaining. He used to win best match of the year almost EVERY YEAR!

In 1995-96 he was untouchable but his come back wasn't mediocre as well. He gave us the best matches and matches that will be talked about forever. He will always be immortal....the only showstopper wrestling biz ever had and will ever have.
Posted by theitalianstallion 7 years ago
theitalianstallion
I've already decided, barring a huge collapse by wesmel06, all points go to PRO. Con has provided absolutely no argument whatsoever and his cockyness annoys me.

CA - Pro, con had no argument
RS - Pro, Con's sources were irrelevant
SG - Pro, he put in the time to spell out words
Conduct - Pro, Con is way to cocky for no posting an argument.
Posted by wesmel06 7 years ago
wesmel06
Dont tell me that in a comment. Tell me that in the actual debate lol.
Posted by InfraRedEd 7 years ago
InfraRedEd
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Anybody that can do a back flip off a diving board can do this.

OK a rope diving board.

Except for the part about your prone opponent being face up. "Prone" means face down.

"Supine" means face up.

"A class by himself" does not necessarily mean something good.

It means he is the only one still in the fifth grade.

Vince McMahon is pretty much in a class by himself himself.

All professional wrestlers are. That is the whole point.

It wouldn't be any good if you couldn't tell them apart.
Posted by wesmel06 7 years ago
wesmel06
As far as the "greatest" page is concerned..Shawn Michaels is not mentioned because he has not been inducted into the Hall Of Fame yet. Only wrestlers who no longer wrestle would be on that page. Michaels is still active on the WWE roster. Not only that but people who are mentioned like Stone Cold Steve Austin had much shorter careers in the WWE than HBK. Stone Cold Steve Austin started his WWE career in 1995. He had his last match in 2003. Shawn Michaels had his first match in the WWE back in 1988. Here in 2009 the man is still wrestling. I think that proves that you don't quite understand what that "greatest" page was really all about. Someday when HBK hangs up his boots he too will be inducted. Just ask Jim Ross. He mentions it everytime HBK wrestles lol.

As far as Ric Flair is concerned..most of his career wasnt in the WWE. However Im still game. Even Ric Flair himself when he was inducted into the WWE Hall Of Fame admits HBK is better than him. By the Wrestlemania 24 DVD and watch it lol. Ric Flair cant even do a moonsault yet he is better in the ring than Shawn Michaels? Ha I don't think so. Oh and yes his son has a problem.

I'll start round two here when I have a bit more free time tommorow.
Posted by InfraRedEd 7 years ago
InfraRedEd
Ric Flair is so wonderful.

http://www.pwnewsnow.com...

WWE Hall of Famer, and current WWE talent for that matter, Ric Flair will be the special guest referee for a match between ROH champion Jerry Lynn and Austin Aries at the New York City show on June 13.
Posted by InfraRedEd 7 years ago
InfraRedEd
http://www.wrestlingforum.com...

"Ric Flair is the greatest, most legendary, and most respected wrestler of all time. His name is synonymous with wrestling."

So there. That proves it.
Posted by InfraRedEd 7 years ago
InfraRedEd
http://www.debate.org...
so don't complain about noshows.
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