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Should Abortion Be Legal

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Started: 5/6/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debater12345678910

Con

Abortion Shouldn't be Legal, 50-60 Million Soon to be lives were killed, but it isn't the woman's fault if they were raped, the rapist should be forced to take care of the family even if they are poor or jobless.
Mfuss

Pro

I will be taking the Pro side of the debate: "Abortion shold be legal." First and foremost I would like to thank the Con for the opportunity to debate this topic!

I would like to take this opportunity to define the argument further and common terminology that will be used.

Definitions
Abortion: : the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus. b : induced expulsion of a human fetus [1]

Legal: Permitted by law. [2]

Argument structure:

Abortion has a number of gray areas, one common one which the Con defined in her first argument was that of rape. If it is amiable to the Con, I would like to look only at black and white of the subject and leave the gray areas be. The argument will be looked at only in terms of legality.

I look forward to the debate!



Sources:
1.)
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

2.)
https://www.google.com...

Debate Round No. 1
Debater12345678910

Con

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Mfuss

Pro

Continue argument for Con.
Debate Round No. 2
Debater12345678910

Con

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Mfuss

Pro

Terms
Liberty:
the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views. [1]

Life:
the experience of being alive [2]

Self awareness:
conscious knowledge of one's own character, feelings, motives, and desires. [3]


If we are to look at a human life and, for sake of argument assume that the development begins at inception, this would seem that your argument would hold validity as all peoples are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness by law. However this is not the case in many instances in our country, for instance, we have thousands of people incarcerated in the United States, which infringes on the pursuit of happiness. Hundreds that have had there lives taken after having lives on earth and not only a womb, due to the death penalty. Now we have people trying to infringe the rights of liberty by determining what choices they are permitted to make as a human with their bodies in terms of abortion.

Seeing as the research is inconclusive as to which point humans develop self awareness we can not argue as to whether or not fetus's are alive. Which I would argue does not begin until at minimum one year of age, based on research by "Lewis and Brooks-Gun", and the experience of being alive as a human does not begin until self awareness is realized. [4]

I will let the Pro continue the debate based on the parameters above. Thank you.


Sources
1.) https://www.google.com...

2.) https://www.google.com...

3.) http://www.merriam-webster.com...

4.) https://www.verywell.com...
Debate Round No. 3
Debater12345678910

Con

Good Statements can be made, for legal abortion but Life Starts at the 2 cells (Sperm and Egg) when they meet. Years ago Before all of yours (Unless you are older than 120 [I think]) Was slavery In the US people treated them differently because they looked different that can be said to babies as well, doesn't mean that they are not alive, or viewed upon as livestock. People who want abortion to be legal, want because they got raped, but why would a mother give up, a mother is supposed to love her child in every way, a indescribable loving way, not cause their children's death. On the titanic the rules were Women and Children first, but Woman already lived long enough and younger or even unborn children should have more chance than a grown man or woman. I think babies are essential and the 55 Million Soon to be Lives that were killed should have a voice in our community.
Mfuss

Pro

Thank you for the argument Con.

Rebuttal 1:

"...a mother that is supposed to love her child in every way, a indescribable loving way..." This is a valid point, however the validity of this point goes only to serve the selfish interest of the mother. A child that is born into an impoverished family, a family with consistent reoccurring drug problems, a family simply not ready for a baby (youth) and a number of other realities bring that baby into the world with a host of problems. If the mother truly loved the child in the manner which you say then these situations would not exist, however they do exist and will continue to exist if abortion is illegal.

I don't think that abortion should be illegal as there are instances were it is beneficial for the family. There are many instances were abortion was not the correct choice, but infringing on someone's rights to pursue their own choices is never correct.

Debate Round No. 4
Debater12345678910

Con

Valid Point there. But even if the family unable to take care. Every life counts, the mother has to give birth and the baby could be sent to a family that longs to have a child. That could solve the problem, but delivering a child would be hard work and the mother could live peacefully. If the baby is aborted that is just show of the selfishness of the mother that doubts that the baby would be happy. I do see how the Pro side would think, the woman got sexually assaulted or raped, it's not her fault, but in old times they did not have that decision and that went well the mothers loved their child, rape was there but the women ended still loving their child. But why not now, well not everybody likes children and they don't see that they are the same as them but unborn, most people that have that voice of legal abortion already have been born, isn't that unfair for the innocent babies.
Mfuss

Pro

Adoption is a solution to this problem, however that solution only goes so far. In the United States alone there are more than 104,000 children[1] that are not adopted every single year. I realize the counter argument would be well the child is alive still, yes this is true. However this example is in the United States alone, which does not come anywhere close to having birth rate, nor does it account for an extremely impoverished majority population. The top 10 countries with the highest birth rate currently are all countries with a high poverty rate, high rate of disease and a number of them have a high rate of war. [2] These countries do not have abortion as an option, which would be best for the families. If safe sex practices were socialized or abortion were avaliable this would allow the families to have a healthier life, become more prosporous and not having such high amounts of disease.

Sources

1.)
http://www.adoptuskids.org...

2.)
http://www.indexmundi.com...

Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Mfuss 6 months ago
Mfuss
This has been a wasted debate.

@Debater12345678910 If you want to learn more about your topic, and have people listen seriously to you, you need to listen to others viewpoints. Then understand the oppositions views and see if there is any room for improvement on their defense and exploit it. You can't argue based only on emotion, you may sway a few people but you will not sway the masses.
Posted by Heirio 6 months ago
Heirio
And I'd like to ask: How would banning abortion make people stop seeking abortions and getting them illegally?
Posted by Heirio 6 months ago
Heirio
Some embryos are more developed than a mass of cells, but still aren't fully developed.
Posted by Heirio 6 months ago
Heirio
"But A Fetus Is a Human, Nomatter how different in looks. And an Ebryo is still Human, because same Repruductive cells."

An embryo is mostly a mass of cells.
While a fetus is more developed than that, it is still not fully developed.

"Do Not Vote For Yourself!!"

I don't think you can.
Posted by Debater12345678910 6 months ago
Debater12345678910
Do Not Vote For Yourself!!
Posted by Debater12345678910 6 months ago
Debater12345678910
But A Fetus Is a Human, Nomatter how different in looks. And an Ebryo is still Human, because same Repruductive cells.
Posted by Debater12345678910 6 months ago
Debater12345678910
I'm calmer know
Posted by Mfuss 6 months ago
Mfuss
A cool head would help you in your future arguments. Don't be upset just because people have views differing from yours.
Posted by Heirio 6 months ago
Heirio
But may I just say that making abortion illegal will not really stop it from happening.
Remember the prohibition? That didn't work out too well.

If you make something like this illegal, you don't get rid of its use, you force the people who use it to get to it via illegal means.

Illegal abortions are not very safe. At all.
"In contrast, unsafe abortions cause 47,000 deaths and 5 million hospital admissions each year.The World Health Organization recommends safe and legal abortions be available to all women."
Posted by Heirio 6 months ago
Heirio
"Heiro, I don't like it when people call a "Fetus" a clump of cells,"

Yeah, I've been using the wrong term.
An embryo is a clump of cells.
A fetus is more developed, but still not yet fully developed.

"So I hope you go to hell and be tortured for life, and I wish you die a painful death, you asrhole, babies are more important than you they deserve the chance of life, you already had it and they had none you arshole."

Damn.

"And abortion is against god, supporting it is as bad as causing it, Hillary Clinton will go to hell."

Abortion actually occurs in the Bible.
It's deemed acceptable if the embryo/fetus was conceived via adultery.

"Legal or not how could killing someone (unless war) be legal."

Embryo/Fetus =/= baby

"The purpose of America?"

Does America really have an end goal? It's a country, not an organisation or a process.

"Give all humans rights, formed or not, the babies deserve that chance."

You're saying this is the purpose of America?
Where did you find this purpose from? Which source?
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