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Bobthe2002
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Bitch_Goddess
Pro (for)

Should Abortion Be Legal?

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Started: 10/3/2017 Category: Society
Updated: 3 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Bobthe2002

Con

Abortion is murder. The killing of an innocent human being is wrong, even if that human being has yet to be born. Unborn babies are considered human beings by the US government. The federal Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which was enacted "to protect unborn children from assault and murder," states that under federal law, anybody intentionally killing or attempting to kill an unborn child should "be punished... for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being." The act also states that an unborn child is a "member of the species homo sapiens." At least 38 states have passed similar fetal homicide laws.
Bitch_Goddess

Pro

Con has not given any rules to the debate, therefore I am going to just begin with my rebuttals.

"Abortion is murder. The killing of an innocent human being is wrong, even if that human being has yet to be born."
You cannot kill what is not alive.
The state of a living human being is determined at the start of brain activity within the fetus. There's a reason resuscitation exists. When the heart stops, organs are still going, as well as brain activity. Doctors and nurses stop trying to resuscitate the person after their brain activity ceases. Therefore, what determines death should determine life.

"The federal Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which was enacted "to protect unborn children from assault and murder," states that under federal law, anybody intentionally killing or attempting to kill an unborn child should "be punished... for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being." The act also states that an unborn child is a "member of the species homo sapiens." At least 38 states have passed similar fetal homicide laws."
It protects alive unborn babies. It would be of no use to protect something that isn't even within the breaches of a living subject. And like I said, you cannot kill something that is not alive.

Now for my argument:
A woman has every right to choose what is done to her body. Yes, I understand the fetus becomes a separate body than the woman's, however, the only way that fetus can grow and become a living human being is by the woman's nutrients. Therefore, she has every right to take away the nutrients before it becomes a living being. In order to DO that, it must be taken away. Therefore, preventing it from becoming a living being.

I look forward to your arguments.
Debate Round No. 1
Bobthe2002

Con

Life begins at conception, so unborn babies are human beings with a right to life. Upon fertilization, a human individual is created with a unique genetic identity that remains unchanged throughout his or her life. This individual has a fundamental right to life, which must be protected. Jerome Lejeune, the French geneticist who discovered the chromosome abnormality that causes Down syndrome, stated that "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion... The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence."

Fetuses feel pain during the abortion procedure. Maureen Condic, PhD, Associate Professor of Neurobiology and Anatomy and Adjunct Associate Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Utah School of Medicine, explains that the "most primitive response to pain, the spinal reflex," is developed by eight weeks gestation, and adds that "There is universal agreement that pain is detected by the fetus in the first trimester." According to Kanwaljeet J. S. Anand, MBBS, DPhil, Professor of Pediatrics, Anesthesiology and Neurobiology at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center, "If the fetus is beyond 20 weeks of gestation, I would assume that there will be pain caused to the fetus. And I believe it will be severe and excruciating pain." Bernard N. Nathanson, MD, the late abortion doctor who renounced his earlier work and became a pro-life activist, stated that when an abortion is performed on a 12-week-old fetus, "We see [in an ultrasound image] the child"s mouth open in a silent scream... This is the silent scream of a child threatened imminently with extinction." Because a fetus feels pain, does that make it alive? How can something feel pain if it is not alive?

The decision in Roe v. Wade was wrong and should be overturned. US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated that the right to privacy defended in Roe v. Wade is "utterly idiotic" and should not be considered binding precedent: "There is no right to privacy [in the US Constitution]." In his dissenting opinion in Roe v. Wade, Justice William H. Rehnquist stated that an abortion "is not 'private' in the ordinary usage of that word. Nor is the 'privacy' that the Court finds here even a distant relative of the freedom from searches and seizures protected by the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution..." Furthermore, the 14th Amendment bars states from depriving "any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." The Supreme Court overreached in Roe v. Wade when it excluded unborn children from the class of "persons."
Bitch_Goddess

Pro

Con, I see you copied and pasted someone else's argument:
https://abortion.procon.org...

Or rather, many people's arguments.
Perhaps if you were to take a look on the other sides, you would see rebuttals to your points.

For example, your (or really, not yours but someone else's) first argument:
Embryos and fetuses are not independent, self-determining beings, and abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, not a baby. A person's age is calculated from birth date, not conception, and fetuses are not counted in the US Census. The majority opinion in Roe v. Wade states that "the word 'person,' as used in the Fourteenth Amendment [of the US Constitution], does not include the unborn."

Second:
According to a 2010 review by Britain's Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, "most neuroscientists believe that the cortex is necessary for pain perception." The cortex does not become functional until at least the 26th week of a fetus' development, long after most abortions are performed. This finding was endorsed in 2012 by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, [1] which stated that that there is "no legitimate scientific information that supports the statement that a fetus experiences pain." [142] A 2005 University of California at San Francisco study said fetuses probably can't feel pain until the 29th or 30th week of gestation. [166] Abortions that late into a pregnancy are extremely rare and are often restricted by state laws. [164] According to Stuart W. G. Derbyshire, PhD, Senior Lecturer at the University of Birmingham (England), "...fetuses cannot be held to experience pain. Not only has the biological development not yet occurred to support pain experience, but the environment after birth, so necessary to the development of pain experience, is also yet to occur." [10] The "flinching" and other reactions seen in fetuses when they detect pain stimuli are mere reflexes, not an indication that the fetus is perceiving or "feeling" anything

Third:
This one is completely built on opinions, therefore no rebuttal was created.

Con, I suggest creating your own arguments if you plan on having a meaningful debate and not one of someone else's words.
If you can't have a simple debate using your own mind and creativity (as well as your own arguments for that), I'd suggest not debating this subject at all.
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Posted by Bitch_Goddess 3 months ago
Bitch_Goddess
Then we agree on this. I admit I was not thinking clearly, and you are correct about the 'living' part.
Posted by sarahslytherin 3 months ago
sarahslytherin
I did not say they were living human beings. I said they were living. They are living humans. They're not inanimate, because something inanimate can't ever live. They're not dead (not always). They're living. It's just denying really, really, really basic science to say a fetus isn't living, no matter what side you're on. Like, i support abortion, but they're still living.
Posted by missmedic 3 months ago
missmedic
The two main issues to tackle are:
1) does the fetus have rights, and
2) if so, does it also have the right to remain in the womb against the mothers wishes.
A society that offers no good options or support to a pregnant mother, can not ask it to have it against her will. Abortion is but a symptom of a greater problem, fix the problem and the symptoms go away.
And that problem is.........................................................Does anyone know the number one cause of abortion?
Posted by canis 3 months ago
canis
Abortion is good..Otherwise people would not chose it.
Posted by Bitch_Goddess 3 months ago
Bitch_Goddess
Sarah, they are not living human beings. If they were living human beings, they would be able to survive on their own. I don't mean requiring food by a mother, I mean being able to live, breathe, cry, all on their own without having to take nutrients directly from another 24/7 (literally) in order to stay alive. As well as produce their own brain activity.
Posted by sarahslytherin 3 months ago
sarahslytherin
but that's laughable. "unborn babies" are not considered human beings by the US government. it's specifically said to have rights you have to be BORN (in the US). And, pray tell, how does the "federal Unborn Victims of Violence Act" protect fetuses from assault and murder? Abortion isn't murder and fetuses can't be assaulted.
Posted by sarahslytherin 3 months ago
sarahslytherin
didn't mean to triple post.
Posted by sarahslytherin 3 months ago
sarahslytherin
This is horrible to watch. Pro - dude, fetuses are alive. You can kill them.
Con - Fetuses can't feel pain, dude. It's debatable if they even feel pain in the third trimester. Wtf.
Posted by sarahslytherin 3 months ago
sarahslytherin
This is horrible to watch. Pro - dude, fetuses are alive. You can kill them.
Con - Fetuses can't feel pain, dude. It's debatable if they even feel pain in the third trimester. Wtf.
Posted by sarahslytherin 3 months ago
sarahslytherin
This is horrible to watch. Pro - dude, fetuses are alive. You can kill them.
Con - Fetuses can't feel pain, dude. It's debatable if they even feel pain in the third trimester. Wtf.
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