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Should Americans be able to carry fire arms

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Started: 3/12/2013 Category: Technology
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Kellan

Con

Americans should not be able to carry fire arms because look at all the recent events like the new town massacre ( which I think personally that that was stupid of him) or when the guy got fired and went on a killing spree. Or the Los Vegas shoot out over a parking space ( really?). Or the robbery when the guy shot two deputy's.those are perfect examples of why civilians should not have fire arms.
valasca146

Pro

My opponents arguments are predicated around the belief that gun ownership causes death, which is does. However, it saves more lives than it causes deaths. According to both Schulman and Bach (I can find more sources if you're still not convinced) gun ownership prevents around 2.5 million crimes a year. For example, a home owner defending himself, his family, and his home during a robbery, or when a storeowner uses the threat of a gun to prevent potential criminals from committing crime. Sources: http://www.bachbio.com...;

Clearly, 2.5 million prevented crimes outweighs several thousand deaths. This should be enough to vote pro, it link turns my opponents only argument. But I'll go into more arguments.

According to Nozick:

Nozick, Anarchy, State, and Utopia, pp. 149-182, (1974)

“The minimal state, one limited to the narrow fuctions of protection against force, fraud, enforcement of contracts, and so on is the most extensive state that can be justified. Any state more extensive violates people's rights.

There are several justifications of the minimalist state. Firstly, some of these benefits, Feser:

Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, entry Robert Nozick

"the benefits of market competition, the inherent mechanisms inclining state bureaucracies toward incompetence and inefficiency, the poor record of governmental attempts to deal with specific problems like poverty and pollution, and so forth.

Secondly, in addition to such practical benefits of a minimalist society Feser continues:

[the] main defense is a moral one ... whatever its practical benefits, the strongest reason to advocate a [minimalist] society is simply that such advocacy follows from a serious respect for individual rights.”


So clearly, the minimalist state is the one that is ideal. Now, we go pro or con based on who better upholds the minimalist state. Well, the minimalist state can only protect people, which includes functions like police departments or fire departments. Directly protecting the people is all it can do. It obviously cannot infringe on civilians rights - there rights to property, their rights to liberty, as people. People have the liberty to do whatever they want as long as they don't infring on the rights of others - "no sins as long as there's permission." So obviously shooting people is a crime, but owning a gun is not. Thus, the state is not in a position to prevent people from carrying fire arms. It's only in a position to catch criminals, people who have violated the rights of others people. I would go into a more extensive positive/negative rights arguement, but will save that for the rebuttal if I need to.
Debate Round No. 1
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