The Instigator
Great_Dane2017
Con (against)
Losing
0 Points
The Contender
YoshiBoy13
Pro (for)
Winning
1 Points

Should Cato or any other tribute have won the 74 annual hunger games instead of Peeta or Katniss??

Do you like this debate?NoYes-1
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 1 vote the winner is...
YoshiBoy13
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/24/2015 Category: Movies
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 552 times Debate No: 74113
Debate Rounds (5)
Comments (3)
Votes (1)

 

Great_Dane2017

Con

No, Cato or any other tribute in the arena should of died (like they did). Katniss and Peeta were a team unlike any other district! They kept each other alive.
YoshiBoy13

Pro

On the contrary, in 72 of the previous 73 Hunger Games, the winner came from a district other than 12. It is highly unlikely that Katniss and Peeta were extraordinarily better prepared than the others. Haymitch was depressed when the 74th came around. If he actually had something that could make them a "team unlike any other", he would have been cheerful and determined, as opposed to resigned and detached.
And they weren't a "team unlike any other". They weren't even a team until halfway through when the producers decided that the falling ratings would be to immediately spark the already-present love interest between certain tributes by allowing team wins. In fact, they were actively trying to avoid each other so one wouldn't be forced to kill the other.
Even with teamwork, they still shouldn't have won. Katniss's damaged hearing after the apple explosion should have been a game over. Peeta's leg infection should have been a game over. But it wasn't. Why? The answer is simple.
Because there was a book that needed a protagonist, and everybody loves an underdog.
It wasn't skill, it wasn't even luck. It was that a book that ended predictably wouldn't sell as well as one with an uncertain twist.
Debate Round No. 1
Great_Dane2017

Con

Great_Dane2017 forfeited this round.
YoshiBoy13

Pro

I extend my arguments due to forfeiture on Con's part.
Debate Round No. 2
Great_Dane2017

Con

Great_Dane2017 forfeited this round.
YoshiBoy13

Pro

I extend my arguments due to a double forfeiture combo on Con's part.
Debate Round No. 3
Great_Dane2017

Con

Yes, there was not that many winners from district 12 and it was highly unlikely for them to win. But i bet you have seen the movie or read the book. Katniss goes hunting almost everyday to provide for her family which makes her a better tribute. Haymich is always drunk no question about that. He may not of been the best advice giver but he saved her life. When Katniss lost her hearing it was only temporally so she could still hear peeta to get away. While Rue dragged Katniss to a safe place. Peeta hid with his amazing camo skills. he was still surviving; he couldn't of died overnight I wasn't that bad of a wound. Peeta may of died but Katniss had a pretty significant chance of winning the 74th games. It all goes to the beginning if Peeta had not shown his love for her he would die Cato would die and Katniss would win!!!!
YoshiBoy13

Pro

| Katniss goes hunting almost everyday to provide for her family which makes her a better tribute.
Yes, she has had informal training with inadequate bows and home-made arrows. However, it is stated many times that tributes from districts 1, 2 and 4 have informal formal training (not actually acknowledged as training *for* the games, but definitely clear to anyone with common sense), which would equal, if not surpass, Katniss's home-grown aptitude.

| When Katniss lost her hearing it was only temporaly so she could still hear peeta to get away.
"adjective: temporal; relating to worldly as opposed to spiritual affairs; secular."
I'm not going to try and debate semantics.

| Peeta hid with his amazing camo skills.
Have you seen the arena? It's absolutely gigantic. The chances of even a single tribute coming across that particular slice of lakeside in the time between his starting hiding there and his being found by Katniss is extremely small. He didn't really need amazing camo skills, he just needed the common sense to dig a hole and hide in it, then apply some mud.

| I wasn't that bad of a wound.
I bet you have seen the movie or read the book. Sure, it was played down in the movie to keep it at a 12 rating, but even small paper cuts can prove fatal, if it gets infected (which it did).
[img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...[/img]
"Tis but a scratch".
It was that bad of a wound, and both the book and the movie reveal that Peeta was extremely close to death, even with the home-made remedies provided. This was the only reason Katniss went to the Feast - if it was truly not "that bad of a wound", she wouldn't have bothered, and they would have worked on working up their strength.

| Katniss had a pretty significant chance of winning the 74th games
Again, no. Reasonable logic suggests that Cato was the most likely to win. Even without the rule change that put Katniss and Peeta together (and basically saved Peeta's life), Cato had actual training. A spot in the Games is as highly contested as it gets in District 1, and many spend months training for it, as detailed in the book.

| if Peeta had not shown his love for her he would die Cato would die and Katniss would win!!!!
First off, the quadruple exclamation marks are probably unneccesary. This isn't exactly facebook.
I can see that the sudden rule change was instrumental in keeping District 12's tributes together, alive. Of course you would proclaim your love for someone if their coming to you as a result of that would *save your life*. The backstory simply sweetened the deal. If Katniss hadn't come in time, or at all, Peeta would have died. That is an instrumental plot point. However, I fail to see how Cato would die as a result.
Debate Round No. 4
Great_Dane2017

Con

I agree with a lot of things that you said. again if Peeta had not told about his love for Katniss a lot would of changed Peeta would of not gone with the carrer tributes Peeta would of died and Rue probably would of died earlier. Katniss would of shot Cato from a tree without him knowing in the dark
YoshiBoy13

Pro

You agree...?
Well there's not much left to say then.
(On a semantics note, I hope you realise it's would have, and not would of)
So possibly, in the scenario you outline, although Peeta would have died, Katniss would have survived by somehow assassinating him from the forest. While this is possible, it is still unlikely that Katniss would have been able to get up this tree, and remain for long enough to aim the bow to get a one-shot, without making any sound whatsoever. In the dark (at night), things can get eerily quiet, so even a single rustling of a single leaf would have sparked his notice.

My conclusion is that Katniss and Peeta are protagonists - for there to even be a story, there had to be something extroadinary happen, something that nobody would have expected, something that separated them from any other District 12 contestant. Their winning was strange, unusual, unexpected, and that's why the book was written about them. In normal circumstances, they would have been massacred.
Debate Round No. 5
3 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 3 records.
Posted by YoshiBoy13 1 year ago
YoshiBoy13
Why is the voting period six months long?
Posted by TBSmothers 1 year ago
TBSmothers
I would have debated that the death of peeta and Katniss should not have won the hunger games because them living resulted in the death of thousands due to revolt, the bombing of district twelve, also the torture of peeta himself which would result in him to never be the person he was before the games.
Posted by CommunistDog 1 year ago
CommunistDog
Diminish the third movie! >:D
1 votes has been placed for this debate.
Vote Placed by tejretics 1 year ago
tejretics
Great_Dane2017YoshiBoy13Tied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:--Vote Checkmark3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:01 
Reasons for voting decision: Conduct to Pro because of Con's forfeiture of 2 rounds, which is rarely acceptable conduct in any debate setting.