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Should Djibouti merge the Ethiopia Federation

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Started: 4/3/2014 Category: Politics
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Quinnciferlium

Con

We are re-doing this debate as we had a little mis-communication regaurding the last debate on this topic.

Format-
Round one is for acceptance only.
Round two is the introduction and no rebuttals
Round three is for rebuttals
Round four is for conclusions

Thanks to my opponent for re-doing this debate with me.
Debate Round No. 1
Quinnciferlium

Con

Introduction.

Djibouti and the Ethiopian Federation cannot successfully merge making Djibouti a state of the Federation. The countries share no historical ties, and are too different to form an efficient governmental system. There is no reason for the two countries to merge.

Djibouti was placed on the Tier 2 watch list by the American Central Intelligence Agency for in compliance to minimum standards for elimination of sex trafficking and prostitution, Djibouti is a destination on the Obock (a forced sex trafficking corridor) where young girls and women are forced into servitude in Djibouti. Ethiopia on the other hand has made significant efforts to eliminate servitude and prostitution and does comply with the minimum standards for sex trafficking and prostitution. Ethiopia would be forced to spend a substantial amount of money and create and enforce many laws in order to remain compliant to the minimum laws for sex trafficking and prostitution and remain off the the United State's watch list. Ethiopia will not benefit from a merge with Djibouti as its government will have to regulate and enforce all anti-sex trafficking laws and spend excess money in the process. Ethiopia sees no appeal in a merge with Djibouti.

Religion is often the cause of many skirmishes and wars that have lasted through the existence of humanity, Djibouti and Ethiopia look at god through very different eyes. In Djibouti, 96% of the population is Muslim, however, in Ethiopia 43.5% of the population is Ethiopian Orthodox, and traditionally the two religions do not get along as Ethiopian Orthodoxy is not viewed as 'a religion of the book (bible)' in the average Muslim's eyes. This extreme difference in religion may eventually lead to differences in political views and eventually, a possible re-separation of countries which will cost both the Federation of Ethiopia and Djibouti a lot of money.

Finally, Djibouti sees no interest in merging with the Federation of Ethiopia because per capital, Djibouti is much richer than Ethiopia. Djibouti has a GDP per capita of 2,700 U.S dollars, while Ethiopia has a GDP per capita of only 1,300 U.S dollars. Per person, Djibouti is much more developed and wealthy than Ethiopia. If the two countries merge then Djibouti will become ultimately poorer.

In conclusion, Djibouti and Ethiopia are good neighbors but would be a bad single country, their views are too different to form an effective governing body. Ethiopia would ultimately spend a substantial amount of money on Djibouti and the money may or may not be effective.

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Jifpop09

Pro

Case 1: The Republic of Djibouti is weak militarily

The Republic of Djibouti is in a vunerable position, and its made plenty of enemies. The Democratic Republic of Eritrea, has been making advances into the country for years to attempt a schifflen hook into Ethiopia. The UN predicts that war is emminent, and Djibouti will undoubtebly suffer a simmilar fate as Belgium. [1]

To the South, Somalian unrest keeps penetrating the borders. The people ae subgected to extremism and Islamic Fascist ideals.

Djibouti does not fare well on the seas either. Its strategic position on the gulf of aden, makes it a raiding haven for Yemeni and Somalian pirates. [2]

Lets face it, Djibouti's 8000 men army stands no chance against the inevitable three way war it will be pulled into. [3]

Case 2: Djibouti Would benefit from joining the Federation

Dijbouti has an over reliance on its aden port. It has no suitable farmland, resources, and skilled or educated work force. They have a meagre GDP of 2.5 billion, which leaves them almost no room for investment in their country. [4]


Ethiopia on the other hand, has a GDP of 120 billion, and a growth of 7% a year. Not only does this make them one of the fastest growing countries in the world, but they have a lot more wiggle room for investment. [5]

If Djibouti were to join the Ethiopia, then they would benefit in so many ways. Railroads would be built to ship supplys to the port of aden, irrigation networks would connect Ethiopia's 12 river basins to the impovershed farmlands, and a navy would be built to protect the shipping leaving the Suez. [6]

Not only that, but Djibouti would benefit from all the extra amendities Ethiopia could provide. Including college level education, scientific research collaboration, and corporal investment.

Case 3: Djibouti is economically reliant on Ethiopia

Djibouti already has a huge economic reliance on Ethiopia. Much of their money is from Ethiopian goods that leave the ports. A lot of their resources and support in shipping comes from Ethiopia. [7]

They are so dependent on the country, that if Ethiopia were to gain control over at least one other port, then the country would fall into a economic depression. Its not entirely unlikely either. Currently Ethiopia is in informal wars with both Eritrea and Somalia.

They have gained control of ports before, and if they were to secure even one, as I stated, Djibouti would be crushed. This leverage placed on the country is another reason why it would benefit from joining with Ethiopia. It gives them an assurance that they can fall back on a stable country in the chance of their fragile country falling apart. [8]

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Next round, I will provide arguments on how this joining will benefit Ethiopia, the United States, France, and the rest of the world.

[1] http://www.conflictmap.org...

[2] http://www.nato.int...


[3] http://www.nationmaster.com...

[4] http://www.nationmaster.com...

[5] http://www.nationmaster.com...

[6] http://www.africaneconomicoutlook.org...

[7] http://www.indexmundi.com...

[8] http://www.tesfanews.net...
Debate Round No. 2
Quinnciferlium

Con

Quinnciferlium forfeited this round.
Jifpop09

Pro

Extend Arguments. In all fairness though, I did this to him last debate.
Debate Round No. 3
Quinnciferlium

Con

Thanks to my opponent for extending arguments, I was busy and my schedule was full, please reward him with points for conduct.

Statements made by the opponent-

1-The Republic of Djibouti is weak militarily

2- Djibouti Would benefit from joining the Federation

3-Djibouti is economically reliant on Ethiopia

To address point number 1, Djibouti is home to the only United States operated sub-African Military base. The base (Camp Lemmonier) is equipped to handle missions deep into the middle east and into two of the regions most troubled nations; Yemen and Somalia [1]. If Ethiopia and Djibouti were to merge Ethiopia would likely not support the continued survival of Camp Lemmonier as it wants to remain neutral. The U.S is offered a position on the front lines with its camp in Djibouti, if Djibouti were to be attacked by Eritrea or Somalia, the U.S would likely offer military aid in order to retain its position close to Yemen and Somalia. Because Djibouti supports the United States military base, it is currently on good terms with the U.S and the U.S will likely support Djibouti in all of its decisions. [2]

To address point number 2, Djibouti would not benefit a merge with the Ethiopian Federation because the countries, while making good economic partners would not be able to successfully merge. Djibouti is 98% Muslim, and the Muslim religion does not find Ethiopian Orthodoxy to be of the bible. Djibouti's official languages are French and Arabic, while Ethiopia speaks Amharic. This merge in language may cause mass confusion.

Finally, addressing point three Djibouti is economically reliant on Ethiopia, but Ethiopia is also economically reliant on Djibouti. Ethiopia depends on Djibouti's port in the gulf of Aden for transport of its raw agricultural goods, while Djibouti depends on the trade with Ethiopia for its use of its port. Both countries could not do without the other. If the two countries merged, there would likely be no inflow or outflow of money, because neither countries would have much business with other countries. A merge would likely hurt both economies.

[1] http://www.conflictmap.org...
[2] http://www.bbc.com...

Conclusion

Djibouti and Ethiopia are wonderful neighbors, great economic partners, and good countries. However, if the said countries were to merge, neither would benefit. Djibouti is more wealthy when it comes to per capita GDP, a merge would deprive many individuals of a moderately developed quality of life. Whereas Ethiopia would have to create and enforce many sex-trafficking laws in Djibouti. Clearly, a merge is an unwise decision.
Jifpop09

Pro

If Ethiopia and Djibouti were to merge Ethiopia would likely not support the continued survival of Camp Lemmonier as it wants to remain neutral.

Where is your evidence to this claim? Ethiopia has tons of foreign bases. They will not invoke anything from the US. And you do realize the size of the camp, right? Its not even meant for conventional use. Its a place where US Africom occasionally travels to run exercises and operate drones. They would merge and the base would remain where it is. [1]

The U.S is offered a position on the front lines with its camp in Djibouti, if Djibouti were to be attacked by Eritrea or Somalia, the U.S would likely offer military aid in order to retain its position close to Yemen and Somalia.

Alright, I'm just going to help you out here. The US will not go to war with Eritrea or Somalia, over a tiny makeshift base. The US would light impose sanctions or maybe increase its naval presence, but we are simply not economically, politically, or socially linked with the country. Or could the 70 men who occasionally pass through the camp are not enough to protect the population. [2]

Even if by some insane hypothetical, the US were to defend Djibouti, it would take about two weeks to deploy even a marine contingent. That's all the time it takes for either of the two armies. Especially the imposing communist Eritrean's, who break international law on a regular basis.

Lets just be realistic here. Djibouti will almost certainly face a large scale conflict with its neighbors. The only nation who will give the slightest care is Ethiopia, and without military presence in the region, it will be far to late for them. [3]

To address point number 2, Djibouti would not benefit a merge with the Ethiopian Federation because the countries, while making good economic partners would not be able to successfully merge. Djibouti is 98% Muslim, and the Muslim religion does not find Ethiopian Orthodoxy to be of the bible.

Ethiopia has several muslim states, and Djibouti would be the smallest of the which. They wouldn't be out of place, as Ethiopia is religiously tolerant and diverse. With 18 million people, 33% being Muslim, 43% being orthodox , and the rest being christian and jewish denominations, including 18% protestants.[4]

Your statistic is also wrong. 94% of people in Djibouti are muslim, the other 6% being of christian belief. Both nations have good tolerance for religion (Arguably better then the US in some areas), and certainly have a lot less persecution. As for the language, everyone who can speak Ahramic can speak Arabic, and vice versa. The difference minimal to non existent. Don't ask me how it works, but apparently arabic subscript makes it really easy to read/speak another language. [5] [6]

The benefit of federalism, is each culturally and religiously unique region, has its own government, independent from the federal one. Kind of like in the US, where we are divided into states. Point is, under a federal system, Djibouti would still be able to govern itself. [7]

Finally, addressing point three Djibouti is economically reliant on Ethiopia, but Ethiopia is also economically reliant on Djibouti. Ethiopia depends on Djibouti's port in the gulf of Aden for transport of its raw agricultural goods, while Djibouti depends on the trade with Ethiopia for its use of its port. Both countries could not do without the other. If the two countries merged, there would likely be no inflow or outflow of money, because neither countries would have much business with other countries. A merge would likely hurt both economies.

I'm sorry, but this argument makes absolutely no sense. You do know the difference between internal and external growth, right? The money will not just stop suddenly flowing because they merge. It will just boost the revenue within the country,but through internal means.Trade would also skyrocket under a nation with more exportations, and the city would flourish from the influx of shipping and wealth. [8]

Djibouti's port, combined with Ethiopia's higher GDP, mean that both countries benefit economically. Lets not forget, that Djibout has historical and economic roots with Ethiopia. And as I stated earlier, merging for economic intrests are not a new idea.


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[2] http://www.hoa.africom.mil...

[3] http://www.afarforum.com...

[4] http://www.indexmundi.com...

[5] http://www.answering-christianity.com...

[6] http://www.indexmundi.com...

[7] http://www.ushistory.org...

[8] http://www.yourarticlelibrary.com...
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