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KingofHarlem
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Saska
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Should Homosexuals be Allowed in the Easter Parade?

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Saska
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/17/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 845 times Debate No: 52741
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KingofHarlem

Con

It is hard to imagine a public exhibition more repulsive than gay pride parades. And now they want to bring this to our Easter Parades?

Who but a maniac thinks this is a good idea?
Saska

Pro

I accept your challenge that homosexuals have no place in an Easter parade.
Debate Round No. 1
KingofHarlem

Con

KingofHarlem forfeited this round.
Saska

Pro

Well I am not sure if my opponent has opted to forfeit this entire debate, or if he was simply waiting to allow me time to make the first argument, but I will begin my point.

The question asked is "Should Homosexuals be Allowed in the Easter Parade?" I wanted to wait and see what reasons my opponent gave for wanting them to not be allowed. I will assume that one of the reasons would be the biblical quotes from Leviticus that condemn homosexuality.

The quote from Leviticus, regarding homosexuality being an abomination or detestable act [1], should have zero relevance to Christians, and therefore no impact on a Christian"s beliefs. When Jesus came and created the new covenant, he rendered the old law obsolete, as it states in Romans 7:6, "But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code" [2]. And Christians have shown a willingness to ignore much of Leviticus, due to the irrelevance of the words in that book. As an example, people who dishonor mother and father are no longer put to death, people who commit adultery are not put to death, having sex with a women during menstruation does no render one cut off from the community, and psychics are not put to death. I could go on, but that list should show the irrelevance of much of that book, so why do people cling to one line of it and use that as proof that homosexuals are detestable?

If the argument is based on homosexuality being a sin, based on what the bible says, even if my above argument is not accepted, there is still much more ground on which the Con side of this argument can stand on.

If the Easter parade is celebrating the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and, in the bible, Jesus was the one to welcome all the outsiders to his company, then even if you believe that homosexuality is a sin, Jesus welcomed sinners into his company. Sharing his message was his attempt at saving them. If one is so inclined to believe that homosexuals are in need of saving, welcoming them into a parade celebrating the death and resurrection of Jesus should be a large step in saving them.

My final argument hinges on the fact that Easter is not solely a Christian holiday. Much like Christmas, there are many pagan stories that formed the basis for the Christian Easter mythology. For example, Ishtar (oddly enough, pronounced Easter) is a pagan goddess of fertility, love, war and sex who has an entire mythology surrounding her that involves eggs and rabbits (something that has never made sense in the Christian mythology) [3]. These are not the only pagan myths that lay the groundwork for the Christian mythology, as there are multiple mythological stories that tie in many of the familiar stories of death and resurrection [4][5]. So my final point is that Christian values do not determine everything involved with Easter. So even if Christians feel that homosexuality has no place in their celebrations, Easter is not owned solely by Christianity and thus they do not get the final say over who does and does not participate in the celebration. They borrowed many of their stories from elsewhere, and they must accept that they are not the only ones allowed to celebrate at this time of the year. Bunnies, eggs and the name Easter all have very little to do with Christianity, and so the parade should be open to more than just Christians and Christian values.

If my opponent has some other argument stating why homosexuality has no place in a public parade, I would be happy to hear his reasoning. But I must state that neither a personal disagreement with homosexuality, a personal opinion that it just is not natural nor a personal dislike of 'what they do' does not constitute a valid argument.

[1] http://www.biblegateway.com...
[2] http://www.biblegateway.com...
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[4] http://www.theguardian.com...
[5] http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org...
Debate Round No. 2
KingofHarlem

Con

KingofHarlem forfeited this round.
Saska

Pro

Well since my opponent clearly has no interest in continuing this debate, I won't say much more after this unless my opponent decides to respond.

I have already provided my argument as to why I believe homosexuals should be allowed to participate in the Easter Parade, so now I will just respond to one other point that my opponent made in his opening statement. "It is hard to imagine a public exhibition more repulsive than gay pride parades." I will contend that it is NOT hard to imagine a public exhibition more repulsive than a gay pride parade.

North Korea publicly executes people in their country for watching smuggled television shows. http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

The World Trade Centers were attacked by hijacked planes, killing around 3,000 people.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

The Sandy Hook school shootings took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults. http://en.wikipedia.org...

In Rwanda in the mid-90's there were nearly one million people killed in the genocidal mass slaughter of Tutsi people. http://en.wikipedia.org...

My point is, it is not hard to imagine something more repulsive than gay pride parades. I do not even need to imagine, I just need to read a newspaper to see things more repulsive on a daily basis. If someone thinks that there is nothing more repulsive than gay pride parades they are either ignorant to things happening around us in the world or they have their priorities so mixed up that they deserve to be locked up. If someone thinks gay pride parades are worse than mass killings, I would be worried that they think a mass killing of homosexuals at the parade is a logical option, as it is less repulsive than allowing them to continue.

I took up this argument because I find the attitude of my opponent to be much more repulsive than the gay pride parades that he hates, and people who spread hate like this need to stop doing what they are doing. Homosexuals deserve the same rights as everyone else on our planet, and people who preach to withhold those rights have no business doing what they are doing.
Debate Round No. 3
KingofHarlem

Con

And now my opponent abandons all pretense of being a rational human being...

Now long ago the Chicago Catholic Diocese sought and received an injunction against the gay pride parade marching past their churches on Sunday morning. Imagine if my opponent was the lawyer for the parade:

"Your Honor, my client's gay parade is no more repulsive than public executions, the 3000 people killed on 9/11, the Sandy Hook mass murder of 20 kids, Rwanda where one million civilians were killed, the Nazi extermination of 6 million Jews."

No, my opponent wouldn't be laughed out of court because these incidents are beyond tragic, but wouldn't even his gay clients think him the biggest fool that ever was?
Saska

Pro

I would like to welcome my opponent back to the debate, or at least the small part of the debate that he chose to acknowledge. After forfeiting two rounds in a row, despite still being active elsewhere on the site, my opponent has opted to finally post another few sentences on this topic. However, blatantly ignoring the main argument I posted in response to the topic of this debate and rather focusing on one small piece of the side argument I posted after seeing my opponent forfeit two straight rounds, can be shown as evidence that my opponent is not here to debate but rather to use this site as a place where he can make hateful, anti-homosexual statements. He offers nothing in the way of an argument for his statements, and merely waits to read something that he feels he has a witty retort for and then pounces on that.

Now, this is not a court case. If it was, my second argument would never have been heard because the opposition failing to appear two days in a row would likely render the case null and void. More than that, the initial statement made, "It is hard to imagine a public exhibition more repulsive than gay pride parades" would be laughed off if it was the only line of reasoning used to defend such an outrageous claim.

And my opponent is also misquoting me, which can easily be noted if one was to re-read my statement. I did not say that the gay pride parade is no more repulsive than genocides and mass murders. I said that "it is not hard to imagine something more repulsive than gay pride parades." Though I am a straight man myself, I do not find gay pride parades repulsive. I think it is a wonderful thing that people are getting together and celebrating the decline of attitudes such as my opposition holds. My last argument was purely to show that humanity is clearly capable of imagining (and putting into practice) things far more repulsive than a gay pride parade. If any human believes the gay pride parade to be any more repulsive than any of the examples that I provided previously, I would hope those people be locked away from the rest of humanity, because they would indeed be a danger to many.

Now, I would ask that my opponent actually acknowledge the rest of my arguments and attempt to provide some level of rebuttal or, if only another forfeit is in the plan, please forfeit immediately so that this mockery of a debate can be over with.
Debate Round No. 4
KingofHarlem

Con

Once again my opponent displays his childlike grasp of language and debate. I wrote :

"It is not hard to imagine something more repulsive than gay pride parades"

My opponent responded by listing things more repulsive than gay pride parades. Once again, I'd like to place this in trial court setting. If the lawyer for the Catholic Church says he can't imagine anything more repulsive than gay pride parades and the opposing lawyer objects and says "The Holocaust was more repulsive!" which lawyer is the idiot?

Neither language nor debate are meant to be the clinical exercise my opponent wants you to believe. Hyperbole is acceptable in debate and in the courtroom and that's because the assumption is the judge and jury have brains.

Suppose we parse everything Clarence Darrow said during the Scopes Monkey Trial using the confused language and debate skills of my opponent? The trial would still be in session. When Darrow said, "The trouble with law is lawyers"
he was trying to make a point anyone with a gnat's brain readily grasped. My opponent doesn't.

Certainly, we can all easily imagine things more repulsive than gay pride parades -- but who among us is so dimwitted to think my point is such things don't exist?



Saska

Pro

First of all, my opponent has now misquoted himself, stating "It is not hard to imagine..." when his original quote stated "It is hard to imagine". This may just be a typo on his part, but either way, this is not the first misquote we have seen from him in this debate.

Once again I will note that my opponent did absolutely nothing to address the actual argument that I put forth in response to his original claim. My pointing out of things far more repulsive than a gay pride parade was merely a secondary endeavor, to show the absurdity of the original statement that came with no other argument, because I was met with no opposition for two straight rounds of debate. Yet rather than addressing any of the actual issues at hand or offering any sort of conclusion, my opponent has opted to make insults towards myself and ramble on about what would happen in a courtroom if I challenged a hyperbole. For what it is worth, in a court room, if the opposition completely ignored the argument on hand and focused all of his attention on a meaningless side-bar, the opposition would lose the case and likely his job as an attorney.

Since I was the only one to actually offer any information to the topic of the debate, I do not see how the winner of this debate could ever be in question. None of the points I made arguing the topic on hand were even offered a challenge by my opponent. As a conclusion, I will offer a quick summary of those points.

1) Leviticus is no longer relevant to Christians as per Jesus's New Covenant with humanity.
2) Even if homosexuality is still considered a sin, Jesus Christ was the first person to spend time with sinners, when no others would give them a chance.
3) Easter is not purely a Christian holiday, and thus Christian values do not define the day or the parade.

For more information on each of those points, just read my argument from round two.

I thank those who are reading this debate and hope that I argued my point clearly as to why homosexuals should be allowed in the Easter parade. To my opponent, I would recommend actually participating in the debate and addressing the topic on hand. But most of all, I would recommend to stop spreading your hateful, bigoted message against homosexuality because there is no place for that in our world today.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Saska 2 years ago
Saska
Really? They should be jailed or executed? You seriously need to get a life. You are a parasite on this planet.
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 2 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
homos should stay in the closet or stay in jail or be executed.......but the law protects them, so I have to say leave them alone and try to change the laws, be civil about it.
Posted by Saska 2 years ago
Saska
Classy... real classy LifeMeansGodIsGood. I'm sure God would be proud that his child speaks with such love.
Posted by Saska 2 years ago
Saska
You are a disease spreader. Your attitude is a disease. You are a pathetic, hateful person.
Posted by KingofHarlem 2 years ago
KingofHarlem
"My behaviour? So not persecuting gay people is causing people to die of AIDS? Seriously, pull your head out of your a** and grow up. "
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Yes, not persecuting gay people is causing people to die.

Congratulations -- you finally got something right.

Gays are disease-spreaders
Posted by Saska 2 years ago
Saska
My behaviour? So not persecuting gay people is causing people to die of AIDS? Seriously, pull your head out of your a** and grow up.
Posted by KingofHarlem 2 years ago
KingofHarlem
"Might I recommend taking your own advice, with regards to homosexuality. Let it go... it doesn't affect you."

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This may come as news to you, fella, but your behavior is the reason people are getting sick and dying from HIV
Posted by Saska 2 years ago
Saska
Might I recommend taking your own advice, with regards to homosexuality. Let it go... it doesn't affect you.
Posted by KingofHarlem 2 years ago
KingofHarlem
Let it go, man.
Posted by Saska 2 years ago
Saska
Yes KingofHarlem, I am a coward. Because I was so terrified to debate with you that I already laid out my entire argument, which you proceeded to ignore. You are a waste of time on this site, because you post hateful garbage and you ignore the debates that others present to you. You wait for someone else to post their arguments, look for one minor thing that you disagree with and then make the entire debate about that one specific thing. There is nothing productive about debating with you. Get a life instead of trying to pick fights on a website and trying to convince the world that people you think are icky should be treated like second class citizens. Everyone with a brain sees right through you.
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Vote Placed by JMCika 2 years ago
JMCika
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Reasons for voting decision: Homophobe only made one argument.