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cheftoniFTW
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Logical-Master
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Should Light Yagami have killed criminals differently than the way he did in the manga/anime?

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Started: 2/10/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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cheftoniFTW

Pro

I personally think that Light Yagami was doing the right thing, but he did it the wrong way. (i.e. boasting while killing people, not caring if anybody caught him.)
for example, during the search of who was Kira, L suspected it was a student due to the gaps between killings. When Light's father entered the research into his police files, Light noticed that L suspected a student, therefore, changed his killing gaps 1 hour per heart attack. Which is what I believe to be a stupid move.
He simply should have kept on killing as a student, but making less gaps in between heart attacks, he could have also simply made research about the criminals, make a list, and manually kill them every hour or so on the dot, his suspicion % would've decreased, and he would've gone off!
I think that if he simply would've been more discreet WHILE making the population know that someone was passing judgement on the criminals of the world.
Logical-Master

Con

Alright, the basic problem with my opponent's argument is that he doesn't seem to be aware of the motivations behind Light's move. There was no real act of stupidity

1) For you see, Light's focus was to get close to L so that he may learn his name and write it in the death note. Sure, Light could have simply focused his entire strategy on"hiding" from L in the manner my opponent suggest, but then he'd never be able to eliminate L in the first place. And not eliminating L is a HUGE "no-no" as L was described as being on par with Light in terms of intelligence, hence being a massive threat. As we can see in the series, it was because Light put L in a position to get got close him (having him join the Kira investigation team) that he was ultimately in a position to trigger his death.

2) Precisely concerning the move PRO is talking about, please take a gander at the following manga page:http://www.onemanga.com...

L states that Kira's motivation was to tell the police force that he can kill whenever he wants and that he has a means of gathering information from the police force. This was done for the purpose of instigating anxiety and confusion amongst the individuals involved in the Kira investigation. Ultimate, these psychological tactics were rather effective given that nearly all of those involved in the Kira investigation abandoned it and ended up distrusting L in the process. in other words, a brilliant move.

Hence, I believe I've answered my opponent's objection. Light was correct in his manner of killing criminals as it helped him best the investigative forces who were attempting to capture him and it aided him in ultimately killing L. I know stand ready for PRO's round 2.
Debate Round No. 1
cheftoniFTW

Pro

I grudgingly agree with con's argument about the fact that he needed to prove that Light had access to police files which in turn forced L to investigate the Japanese Police task force with the FBI.
But I would like to direct your attention to Light Yagami's major flaws in the story (I could go into details in my final argument.

1) I would like to start off with Misa Amane (A.K.A. the second Kira). L gave Light a "test" to see if he was smart enough to point out if the tape sent by Misa was by the original Kira;
http://www.onemanga.com...
obviously...this was a bluff...
If Light had simply not contacted Misa (Before he knew who she was), knowing knowing her character...
my prediction would've gone as follows:
She would most likely followed her promise:
http://www.onemanga.com...
http://www.onemanga.com...
She would be killing as many police officers as possible until the police would be forced to band together and give her L. Now, naturally, Light would try to find Misa, because she is passing judgement in a way that he believes to be wrong, i.e. killing criminals is ok, but you do not touch the police. Misa, would go all the way just to please Kira, she is a hardcore Kira fan and would do anything just to help him. (In this case, kill L)
If Light's plan went well...he would TRY to keep a minimum of cops to be killed, but he might end up simply thinking: "it's for a better world."

2) When L died, what Light should have done is simply kill off the rest of the kira case officers. Light knew that Rem would have killed Watari as well as L:
http://www.onemanga.com...
He could have simply killed the rest of the task force and simply acted his life normally, he could not go back to his family because he would have killed Soichiro. He could have simply killed Misa, grabbed her noteboook (Or kept her, one way or another would not make a difference) and move away somewhere. He could have continued killing off criminals as Kira. But he could have kept on killing in Japan, that way, they would still think Kira was in Japan and killing off other criminals around the world subtely. Because if he started killing around the world, Near would have obviously noticed Kira left Japan.

3) Assuming the story continued it's course unchanged up to the Near/Mello saga. Light should have told Mikami that he would keep some pages of the Death Note with him... That way, Mikami would not have acted like an idiot and took out his notebook from the bank. Even if Takada knew that Light had some pages, she would have known he could not kill Mello because Light did not know what Mello's face looked like. That way, at least Light's cry for victory would've been plausable and Light would've lived the rest of his life as Kira for the remainder of his life.

I would also like to point out one small error in con's argument:
"And not eliminating L is a HUGE "no-no" as L was described as being on par with Light in terms of intelligence, hence being a massive threat."
This manga page should shed some light (No pun intended) on the fact that L underestimated Kira:
http://www.onemanga.com...
Here, Raye Penber assumes that if Light was Kira, he would have killed the bus jacker on the bus, obviously, L did not expect such a test. But the FBI should have been briefed on the fact that Kira thinks at least 4 steps ahead of his opponent. Therefore, Raye should have thought the situation clearly and taken into concideration Light Yagami's calm composure, his obvious acts of clumsyness making himself drop a piece of paper making large noticeable movements so that the bus jacker could have noticed, if Raye Penbar concidered Kira to be "on par with L in intelligence" He would not have acted so out of character.

I now patiently await my opponents argument.
Logical-Master

Con

Ladies and gentleman (well, the modicum of people who may actually be inclined to read the debate), if you'll read my opponent's R2 closely, you'll notice that he has essentially changed his advocacy. In the first round as well as what we can see from the resolution, it was pretty clear that my job in this debate was simply to prove that Light Yagami should not have killed criminals differently than the way he did in the manga/anime. In R2, my opponent has shifted gears to claiming that Light Yagami has made mistakes in general while having agreed with me on the one argument that is relevant to the topic. This is a highly abusive debate technique and essentially a conclusive reason for one not to vote in favor of the PRO ballot.

With that said, to pacify my opponent, I shall refute his irrelevant arguments anyway:

RE: Light should not have contacted Misa and should have allowed her to run wild:

This couldn't be any more fallacious:

1) Light wasn't the one to contact Misa. Misa contacted Light.
2) Misa posed as a serious threat to Light: http://www.onemanga.com...
She was being an idiot through revealing secrets and not being smart enough to realize that the police force had her played.
3)L had no intention of appearing on TV as we can see by this page: http://www.onemanga.com...

RE: Light should have killed off the rest of the kira case officers:

1) No, this would only make him suspicious. If Light were the only one on the investigation team to have survived, it would become strange as to why he was the only person to have survived. This would attract suspicion from those who were aware of the team's existence. Kira had not yet attained enough world influence to get around this. In addition, Light wished to control the police force as controlling the police force meant he had control over the kira investigation, hence could insure that he wouldn't get caught.

2) As for keeping his killings restricted to Japan, Light wanted to become of the god of the WORLD, not just Japan, so this would have gone against his plan in the first place.

3) If Mikami had some extra death note pages, Near would not have planned to simply swap note books with Mikami. Rather, he would have been far more cautious than he already was. In addition, Light had no reason to believe Mikami would behave out of character and question his orders contrary to his behavior at every point in the storyline until then. Light's defeat was in result of pure luck; he wasn't outsmarted.

RE: But the FBI should have been briefed on the fact that Kira thinks at least 4 steps ahead of his opponent.

What evidence was there for the FBI to conclude this? In addition, Ray Penbar was a moron when in comparison to L. He wasn't smart enough to even come close to figuring out Light's plans (something which L was capable of doing). Thus, I hardly think he is too credible on the matter of intelligence.

And that'll do it for now. Later.
Debate Round No. 2
cheftoniFTW

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cheftoniFTW forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
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There is no show but Death Note, and Kira is his profit!
Posted by cheftoniFTW 8 years ago
cheftoniFTW
Yes, but Death Note is one show can could have gone so many other ways, (Further explanation in my arguments.)
Posted by s0m31john 8 years ago
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You people do know there are other shows besides Death Note, right?
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
I'll respond tonight or tomorrow afternoon. Later.
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