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FreedomFighter15728
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Exraldo
Con (against)

Should Men Have A Say In The Event Of An Abortion?

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Started: 6/13/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 days ago Status: Debating Period
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FreedomFighter15728

Pro

I believe a man should have a say in whether his baby should live or die. True equality between the sexes cannot exist without this being true. (I will leave it to you to decide the extent of power a man should have over his wife or whoever he has impregnated and the decisions he can make and weigh in on.)
Exraldo

Con

To some extent, I must say that I agree with you. The father of the child should have a right to an opinion on whether or not an abortion should go ahead - after all, it is their child also.

However, the child's father should not have any power to make a decision on whether an abortion goes ahead. This would create a lot of problems for people who have been impregnated in cases of rape, domestic violence, etc. If the father of the child has any power to make decisions in cases such as these, he will likely use them in a way harmful to the mother for his own amusement; either forcing the mother to have an abortion to cause emotional turmoil, or forcing her to keep a child that she is absolutely not capable of dealing with. Both cases would lead to severe trauma for the mother, which could potentially lead to suicide.

Leaving abuse cases behind, giving women the final say is important in healthy relationships also. If both parties agree of getting/not getting the abortion, then fine, there's no problem, you just do what you both say. But problems arise if the father feels ready to have a child but the mother does not. In this case, it should still be the mother's decision - society places the burden of childcare disproportionately onto mothers, and so mothers should have the right to choose whether or not to accept this burden. Whilst in a healthy relationship, the mother should hear the father's opinion, and take this into account, but she should receive the casting vote.

What if we flip the situation around; the mother wishes to keep the child, and yet the father wishes for the child to be aborted? This is perhaps the most difficult of the four possibilities in a healthy relationship to solve. However, due to the physical closeness of an unborn child in its mother, emotionally dealing with an unwanted abortion is much more difficult for women than for men. So in this case, the mother should once again have the final say - getting an abortion would emotionally harm them so much more than not getting one would emotionally harm the father.

There is a dilemma when making a decision among two people who disagree; one has to have the casting vote, the final say on what happens. I believe that, whilst fathers should have a say on the decision, this casting vote should always go to the mother. If we assign it in any other way, whether that way be giving it straight to the father, to the parent in favour of the abortion, or to the parent against the abortion, it will be too often used as a tactic for abusive men and rapists to take control of their victims and harm them. The mother, with the burden of childcare and physical closeness to the unborn child placed upon her, is significantly more affected by the choice of aborting or not than the father, and so should have the final say in the matter.
Debate Round No. 1
FreedomFighter15728

Pro

We seem to agree to some extent, we both believe a father should have a say in whether or not a child should live or die. We just differ on how much power the father can exercise over the mother. I can understand having an abortion to some extent in the case of rape or domestic violence. I however cannot agree with someone choosing to have an abortion if the child was the result of two willing participants. If this is the case, the person needs to take responsibility for their actions as an adult and act accordingly. Fathers must also pay child support for their children if the mother chooses to have the kid. For 18 years. Their are so many programs and contraception methods out there today that having a child out of wedlock should not be an issue faced by society today. Contraception is given out for FREE at many medical facilities around the country.
Exraldo

Con

Contraception is available for free in many countries worldwide, however it is important to note that no form of contraception is 100% effective. 1 in 50 women who have sex for a year with a partner using a condom will still get pregnant, and when the condom is used imperfectly, as it typically is, this figure is closer to 1 in 5. Even if the couple is having the safest sex physically possible, i.e. use of the pill, a condom, the morning after pill in case of emergency, etc, there is still a chance of getting pregnant, so the wide availability of contraception cannot be used to justify an anti-abortion stance. Not even sterilisation is completely effective at preventing pregnancies. (Source: https://www.nhs.uk...)

You say that, in the event of a child being conceived by two consenting participants, "the person needs to take responsibility for their actions as an adult and act accordingly." Getting an abortion may be the most responsible thing to do. If a teenager living in or near poverty finds herself pregnant, I would consider getting an abortion to be "acting accordingly". If the child was to be born, the mother's life would likely be ruined, her parents bringing in the money to feed the child would be under considerably more pressure, and the child would grow up deprived and unhappy. Some consider adoption to be a solution to this, but this isn't really a solution of any description. In the US, there are over 3 times as many children in foster care waiting to be adopted than are actually adopted each year, so this isn't a reasonable alternative to having an abortion. (Source: https://adoptionnetwork.com...)

I notice we have gotten a little off topic with these last few points; you appear to be questioning the morality of abortion in general, as opposed to discussing how much of a say the father should have.

I am slightly alarmed by your statement "We just differ on how much power the father can exercise over the mother." Abortion is a medical procedure, and, like any other procedure, comes with risks of complications. If the father "exercises" any power whatsoever over the mother, it will set the precedent that the farther has power over more of the mother's medical decisions, which is simply unacceptable in this day and age. It goes without saying that the farther should have the full and finally say over whether or not he gets a vasectomy, so why should the mother not get full and final say over her abortion?
Debate Round No. 2
FreedomFighter15728

Pro

I get that no form a contraception is 100% effective. Nothing's perfect, but it's the best we have. As for the poor mother in need of child care, if the mother decides to abort her child because they fear they cannot pay to keep the child, they should have still taken necessary precautions to prevent the pregnancy. As I mentioned, contraception is free and easily accessible to every person around the country. It's also worth noting that Planned Parenthood purposely set up shop in many predominantly poor neighborhoods, many exclusively in mostly poor black neighborhoods. This was not done by accident. This was done on purpose to target lower-income and minority groups of people. In fact, a black baby has the same likelihood of being born in the U.S. as it does to be aborted. To quote the Racist founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger, "We don't want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population." Sanger allied herself closely with Eugenics groups at the time and was a known racist. As for my statement regarding the power, or "authority" one might say a man has over his wife or whoever he impregnates, (Again, as long as she is a willing participant) I meant nothing by it. I only mean to say that men have a very limited number of options when it comes to deciding whether or not his child lives or dies. And that "Procedure" as you call it, which takes the life of an individual who has not yet had the chance to create their own life and their own future, should be a decision that both a man and his partner should be able to make. Together.
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by missmedic 1 week ago
missmedic
Men should have a say but not an equal say, as men risk nothing and a women risks far more including her life.
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