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Galaxxii
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jo154676
Con (against)

Should Popular Vote should determine who going to become president?

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Started: 11/14/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 weeks ago Status: Debating Period
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Galaxxii

Pro

In a democracy they say people have the voice when it comes to picking a president. That is obviously wrong if our vote didn't have a effect on the soon to be president. Being in a democracy has told us our vote matters and we should go and vote. And what for if our vote isn't going to choose what the people want..? Especially since the main representatives that get to choose are republican because that is somewhat bias. I am looking for a civil debate nothing more.
jo154676

Con

I think that you are slightly confused as to what America's government is like. We do not have a democracy, we have a federal republic which is exactly what the electoral college system reinforces. We do not have the popular vote because if we did then the country could be controlled by just a few of the big states and this gives much more power to smaller states so candidates have to focus on them. And there is not a bias in the electoral college this is just nonsense each side always makes the argument after they lose but it is fair and how our system works. If you want a pure democracy then move to a country that has one, oh wait there aren't any because it is doesn't work well. In fact several of the founding fathers spoke out about the danger of democracy due to tyranny in the majority.
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Galaxxii

Pro

Okay i am sorry i had gotten confused
jo154676

Con

I believe that this debate is now over
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by TheBenC 2 weeks ago
TheBenC
jo154676

You can look at this election to see what would happen without the electoral college. Clinton thought she had it in the bag so she ignored a lot of voters. She thought she could appeal to big city voters and ignore the working class. Well she was wrong and lost because she made a huge mistake.

If you abolish the electoral college you essentially give 100% of voting power to cities. That means both sides of the election will have to pander to big cities and both sides end up saying the same thing.

Look at the electoral maps for this election. The vast majority of the country (by square footage) voted for Trump! Does that mean nothing to you? If you see a map of America and 90% of it is red, does that say nothing to you? Or do you think those small blue dots should control the country?
Posted by ILikePie5 2 weeks ago
ILikePie5
Farmers don't need money brother. Look at history. People started farming from seeds that were produced in nature. There are things called natural fertilizers as well. The truth is that farmers are the backbone of our enonomy
Posted by jo154676 2 weeks ago
jo154676
well yes but the urban people are buying the food and giving the farmers the money
Posted by ILikePie5 2 weeks ago
ILikePie5
They make money because the rural areas give them food to eat!
Posted by jo154676 2 weeks ago
jo154676
BenC here we have a disagreement, cities do have a purpose they are the economic hubs of our nation. They make far more money for their respective states and for the nation than rural areas.
Posted by TheBenC 2 weeks ago
TheBenC
Big cities provide nothing that the country needs. They provide entertainment but the midwest provides food. Food is much more important than entertainment. I like what Hollywood provides but I desperately need what the rural parts of the country provides. If we got rid of the electoral college we would see entertainers control everything.

How bad would it be to have entertainers telling farmers how much they have to pay their employees and how to grow their crops?
Posted by toocoolblue 2 weeks ago
toocoolblue
First, Nice work jo154676 (Con) that summed it up pretty well.

It'a hard to imagine how smart our founding fathers actually were in setting this up.
This idea of an electoral college protects against cheating.

Every year the Dems in Chicago laugh about "vote early and vote often". But the electoral college limits the amount of damage the dead vote and the illegal alien vote do to our nation.

Hopefully, now that the Reps are in charge we can get some real voter ID laws and in the future American elections will only be decided by LIVING AMERICANS.
Posted by Politics2016 2 weeks ago
Politics2016
If it was decided on the popular vote, California would decide the whole damned thing. Everywhere else might as well have not voted. That's why we have an electoral college, to prevent one state from dictating who our leader will be. It's like the NFL.
Posted by ILikePie5 2 weeks ago
ILikePie5
The electoral college is there, so people can fight for even the smallest of all states. Take Nevada and New Hampshire, they are small, but they were extremely important. It's a matter of States rights.
Posted by TheOneandLonely 2 weeks ago
TheOneandLonely
It's worth noting that the electoral college was established specifically to address concerns that candidates for national office would concentrate all funding and resources on pandering to big cities, where the population was. Ironically, the establishment of the electors simply switched this focus towards swing states. At that point, no one wanted to amend it because it would've been a huge deal of the swing states vs the populous states, etc etc etc. Just worth noting.
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