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samanthan9
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TGambit
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Should Public Prayer Be Allowed In Schools?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/28/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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samanthan9

Pro

I believe students should be allowed to publicly pray in schools whenever they want.
TGambit

Con

No and here are the reasons I'll expand upon.

1) government is separate from church and state, thus freedom of religion. this protects children's backgrounds from all cultures to not feel alienated or discriminated against as it is quite common for children to outcast people who do not confirm to their social norm.

2) it opens the flood gates for all religion to be expressed at school. of prayer is okay so then we can have the Muslims prayers, Wicca chants, atheist debates, and so on. would you be okay with that?

3) private school is where you go for this. lots of private schools are available for you to take your children of Sunday and home is not enough religion for you. they are great academic schools for the relegious
Debate Round No. 1
samanthan9

Pro

Yes, we do have the freedom of religion so that means people should be able to pray as they want, do any chants they want, and atheists can debate all they want. I do believe all religions have the right to be expressed at school. But for some reasons it only seems to be Christians that aren't allowed to do things like this.
TGambit

Con

please give me a reliable source that only Christians are bad to do this. or else you are arguing with opinions and not facts.

separation of church and state is intended for all parts of the government and that includes public schools. You are debating with feelings please add facts.

http://americanhistory.oxfordre.com...

http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org...
Debate Round No. 2
samanthan9

Pro

Why are Christians always killed during terrorist attacks?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com...
Who are they targeting? Christians.
http://www.hrw.org...
TGambit

Con

I don't see where the source of information of Islamic people attacking Christians in Iraq has anything to do with prayer in public schools.

while I agree relegion can be good for some people, our country is no longer Christian as much as we are a blend of various cultures from around the world. our founding fathers were aware of this and did not want people to be persecuted for their beliefs.

seperation of religion and public schools makes the schools a safe and education focused place for people of all beliefs.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by SpaceTemplar 1 year ago
SpaceTemplar
It is allowed.
Posted by evanjfarrar 1 year ago
evanjfarrar
RFD:

In Round 1, Con presented arguments on the offense, claiming there is a separation of church and state (1), there is a threat that all religion could then be expressed in schools (2) and private schools exist for this purpose (3), and for all of these reasons, public prayer should not be allowed in school. The first and third arguments are both valid, however, the second argument is a bit weak in my view, as Con did not explain why this public expression of religious belief was unacceptable, in other words, why this opening of the floodgates would really bring any harm. None of these arguments were refuted by Pro, and all were effectively conceded.

In Round 2, Pro responded with an argument of her own, claiming that because of freedom of religion, we all have an inherent right to express our religion in school. Pro also claimed that Christians are especially targeted in this case, which was not supported by any relevant information. Since Pro failed to respond to any of Con's arguments, and failed to put forth any relevant support for her own argument, the points for convincing arguments goes to Con.
Posted by TheOpinionist 1 year ago
TheOpinionist
Well it's your debate, and might I say you did well in it.
Posted by TGambit 1 year ago
TGambit
so are the words. So then I can argue that they should not pray in the middle of a test. but both the arguer and the debater had a full understand of the objectives and I think they were fulfilled by both sides.
Posted by TheOpinionist 1 year ago
TheOpinionist
Allow- "admit (an event or activity) as legal or acceptable"
https://dictionary.search.yahoo.com...
Posted by TheOpinionist 1 year ago
TheOpinionist
Not promoting or forcing, but simply "allowing," which gives students a choice. Allowing is the word used in the resolution and Pro's opening statement.
Posted by TGambit 1 year ago
TGambit
Yes sir, and I completely agree with you, and that statement. The way I felt this debate was set up was specifically by my opponent stating that schools should allow public prayer, and in that definition it was including if not specifying the ideas of group prayer and the public schools promoting a religious display.

If the argument was, schools should allow someone to pray to them selves quietly without disturbing the classroom environment (on their own time not in the middle of class) Than this would be a non issue.
Posted by TheOpinionist 1 year ago
TheOpinionist
The resolution was about an individual's right to pray at school, though. This means that the prayer is not encouraged or forced by the school, but rather an individual choice made by the student.
Posted by TGambit 1 year ago
TGambit
http://ffrf.org... another list of sources and opinions...
Posted by TGambit 1 year ago
TGambit
Here is the source I think you re looking for good sir https://en.wikipedia.org...
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro had the constitution on her side
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Reasons for voting decision: I have to go with the Freedom of Religion argument. Public Schools are federally funded this allowed freedom OF religion.
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Reasons for voting decision: RFD in comments.
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Reasons for voting decision: Only 1 argument in this debate, the freedom of religion argument. Pro concedes the freedom of religion argument, stating that they agree with it, but they raise the point that only Christians are not allowed freedom of religion, however, as Con pointed out, this is only a speculation on Pro's behalf, and a statement like this can't be taken seriously without sources. Pro's sources only gave examples of terrorist attacks targeting Christians, however these sources had nothing to do with the original resolution about public prayer in schools. Pro also didn't give a source that showed Christians are being denied freedom of religion. Due to the freedom of religion argument being won by Con, arguments go to Con.