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TomatDividedBy0
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d0c_akilla
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Should Religious People Be Allowed To Deny Service to Gay Marriages?

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Started: 1/14/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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TomatDividedBy0

Pro

Rules:
1. In round 1, you make your claim and nothing else.
2. In round 2, I am not allowed to make rebuttals.
3. In round 4, my opponent is not allowed to make rebuttals.
4. Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source.

Claim: People should be allowed to deny services (not people) on grounds of their religion.
d0c_akilla

Con

Homosexual people have a right to the same services as anyone else, including to be married. They should not have to face discrimination in the process.
Debate Round No. 1
TomatDividedBy0

Pro

To begin my argument, where better to start than the beginning. Namely, the beginnings of the US, within the Constitution, and more importantly, it's Bill of Rights. This may sound like a tired cliche, but we must look at our first amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

While opponents of this matter often point out that you can still believe what you want, they tend to ignore the second half, that clearly states free exercise thereof.

Leviticus 20:3 clearly states that:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."


Whether this is true or not is a whole another issue, that I am not here to argue. Yet, according to NPR, 2.9 billion people in the world are Christians, and a large majority take the Bible as the word of God. That doesn't account for the other 2.8 people who are Muslims and the 16 million Jews.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 clearly states to:
"Abstain from all appearance of evil."

A person doesn't have to hate a homosexual to feel guilt about participation in a ceremony they deem sinful. They have every right to not only believe, but also practice their religion. It doesn't matter whether you believe the lack of participation is right or wrong, they still have every right to do so.

There are 33,720 florists in America, 309,982 wedding services in the US, 185,507 photographers in the US, and 39,643 wedding planners in the US. If one company does not feel comfortable serving your wedding, then there's others.

Even in the case of Barronelle Stutzman, in which an she, the florist, happily served a man which she knew was gay for 9 years, ended up being sued and prosecuted for expressing her beliefs, losing her business, her only source of income. What would've the couple lost if they didn't pursue this? Their first choice of a florist? The difference in punishment is incredible, yet we let this go on. Also what you see in several of these cases, including this one, is in which these businesses go out of their way to find and suggest other more willing companies to do the deed, proving the point that there's always somewhere else you can go.

I would also like to add that our 8th Amendment, which protects us against cruel and unusual punishment, should be protecting people against cruel punishment, is being failed to be uplifted here, in which the punishment greatly exceeds the "offense".

In short, I demonstrated that our Bill of Rights protect us against this very thing, that this is an issue of religion, that there are other alternatives, and that this legislation greatly hurts people.

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Posted by John_C_1812 1 year ago
John_C_1812
It is not the Religion refusing service it is that Gay Marriage is creating a double standard. Legally and publicly. Marriage is a marriage, the joining of a man and woman. It has not been proved anywhere that a gay man, other than choice cannot join a lesbian woman in Marriage.

Something other choice is something else. A private, public contract, made between two people of the same gender does not create the same kinds of work, or paper work. In many cases there becomes a redundant added amount of extra work, most specifically in child care. Be it through the Medical industry or private sectors. Homosexuality must follow the same guidelines as marriage, for equality, mooing forward through Constitutional separation.

A new contract with the public justifies a new Title and a new set of rules. As these type contracts have already proved they do not provide the same service to the governing process of those who are not of the same gender.

While also understanding that a group of people are not addressing the legalities of simply being accused of the conduct for which the group themselves may or may not have chosen.
Things to consider.

1.Immigration policies.
2.Statistics and National Consensus Information.
3.Constitutional Judicial Separation.
4.How is it that a religious group can cite religious literature but not the legal issue that include all people in a Nation?
5.Up until the declaration of Civil Union, there has not been a Title declared which legally challenges the likelihood of Marriage, without incrimination of the witnesses.
6.Civil Union has been seconded and VirMulier, Binivir, and UnosMulier have been added.
7. All rights of civil liberty accompany some legal form of Constitutional obligations.
Posted by CosmoJarvis 1 year ago
CosmoJarvis
People have the right to believe what their faith declares, even if it is the discrimination and rejection of homosexuals, but if a person whose job is to legally marry a couple is unwilling to provide their services to homosexuals, then they shouldn't have that job. If they can't manage to carry out simple tasks because of their faith, then they should seek out a career that won't conflict with their beliefs. Additionally, their superiors should be able to fire that person because they're incapable of fulfilling their tasks that they are paid to do.
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