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gonovice
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Armageddon23
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Should Same-Sex couples be allowed to adopt and use in-vitro treatments to raise a child?

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Started: 7/10/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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gonovice

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My outlook on this topic is that I think there's absolutley nothing wrong with it. A same-sex couple just wants to raise and love a child. Shouldn't society be happy that two people want to love a baby?

There is so much abuse in the world, that if two men or two women want to take care of a baby then we should all rejoice.

I've heard alot of comments around that a same-sex couple having a baby is identical to aborting a baby, the child has no rights. Well I understand that no human would choose to be killed but, a child born with parents of the same gender has no previous knowledge of what it its. So, how can it think it's wrong? That baby would grow up understanding and accepting a gay relationship because it was what it learned.

I have much more to say but I'll save it for another round.
Armageddon23

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Same-sex couples should absolutely NOT be able to adopt and use in-vitro treatments. It is un-natural and cruel to the child.

Children, and humans in general, are mean by nature, a child growing up with two same sex parents would be constantly made fun of, if not to their face then definitely behind their backs.

Many parents would not allow their children to socialize with the child of a same-sex couple let alone go over and play at their house. They wouldn't want the trait to "rub off on their child".

It's a sad, cruel world we live in, why add more reasons for children to get bullied than they already have.
Debate Round No. 1
gonovice

Pro

Here's the thing, the world is changing, slowly but surely.

How is it unnatural? Maybe it's different, but in no way is it "unnatural". To me, a child should be raised by 2 parents, but it doesn't need to be the "common" couple. A child needs love and discipline. If two people can give that to someone then the world should be happy. I think that a same-sex couple is 10x better then a abusive couple.

I've got a few friends who have gay parents and they don't get made fun of or teased. They get treated with the same amount of respect as the rest of us.

If a parent wouldn't send their child to a house with same-sex parents then it needs to re evaluate it's lifestyle especially with the world we're currently living in. Send the kid to a parochial school if the parents are against all that.

Kids will be bullied regardless of it's life or what it's parents are. It's how school and the world works. Maybe it's time that people get used to it.
Armageddon23

Con

Armageddon23 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
gonovice

Pro

I've said all I have to say. If she can't put in an argument then what's the point? I guess that's it.
Armageddon23

Con

No I don't agree with you... but I went on vacation and was unable to access a computer, I understand that I lost... but I'll make a closing argument anyway:

Yes children may be bullied no matter what but why add more reasons for children to bully a child?

Invitro is not natural, therefore it is not natural for same-sex parents to have children; if they want to be a couple then they forgo their rights of having children.

It can be socially damaging and emotionally damaging to children to grow up with same-sex parents, their entire lives they may view themselves differently which can lead to chronic illnesses, such as depression, depression leads to suicide, and then just another dead person to bring flowers to once a year.

It is not fair to children, who don't get to choose, to force them to have same-sex parents, and as I am a Christian it is just plain wrong.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Jamcke 8 years ago
Jamcke
I affirm theLwerd's stance on hypocrisy.
Posted by gonovice 8 years ago
gonovice
I agree with Xera. The divorce comment is exactly correct!! If a child deserves a mother and father, then divorce should be illegal for all couples with children...how does that work for you?
Posted by Xera 8 years ago
Xera
"At least homosexual couples must deliberate this option, to way up the pros and cons, be fully cognisant of what being a parent entails."

Not only that, but in order to adopt a child you must PROVE

1. stability
2. economic ability
3. a safe home
4. parenting skills

One must also undergo a psychiatric evaluation and take parenting courses. If only the rules were equally as stringent on birth parents.
Posted by Puck 8 years ago
Puck
"It's just like abortion being used as birth control to avoid the inconvenience of poor life choices and irresponsibility."

Raising a child in an unwanted environment is responsible? Do you really expect the rates of those who want adoption to keep up with those parents you would force to birth a child? Just because you can pop a bundle out from between your legs does not make you a good parent. Leave the parenting to those that actually want to be parents. At least homosexual couples must deliberate this option, to way up the pros and cons, be fully cognisant of what being a parent entails.
Posted by Xera 8 years ago
Xera
"Does a child have a right to a mother and a father?"

No. If this were a right that any child had, divorce of parents would be illegal as it would violate that 'right' It would be /nice/ if all kids could have two parents though.
Posted by Danielle 8 years ago
Danielle
Here's where people are hypocrites: They claim that it is "natural" (i.e. the laws of nature) for a man and a woman to make a baby, therefore an unborn child has the 'right' to have both a mother and a father. However it is also natural for the male species to want to bed as many women as possible (for the purpose of pro-creation), yet most people in this country look down upon promiscuity and even polygamy. One's own sexual instincts are "natural" to them, so why do "natural rights" only apply to (assumed monogamous) heterosexuals? Further, the unborn child has rights once it is born to parent(s) - whomever that/they may be. Before the child is born, it becomes an issue of whether or not two gay people have the right to have a baby. The baby (who isn't born/conceived) at this point is only an idea, therefore its rights are non-inclusive in the equation. Moreover, a baby shouldn't be 'subjected' to being born to alcoholic parents, yet it happens all the time... so what's wrong with a baby being born to gay parents? Except of course that with gay parents, the children are safer and grow up in more structured/responsible environments. So what are you saying, sadolite? Can we start policing who can and cannot have children? And what's worse: being born to gay parents, or to child molesting parents? Find the children of a father whose sexually abused them and those who have been raised by gay parents. Evaluate who is happier/less emotionally scarred. Then come talk to me. The point is that one's sexuality is NOT a good enough reason to say that they should not have children. It's ridiculous.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
This question is a perfect example of whether or not a unborn child has rights. It takes a man and a woman to make a child. Thus you have a mother and a father. It is physically impossible for to of the same sex to have children naturally. Any other way is artificial and not normal. Does a child have a right to a mother and a father? People who would deny this right to a child before it is even born and do so knowingly is purely selfish and do not in any way care about the rights of an unborn child. It's just like abortion being used as birth control to avoid the inconvenience of poor life choices and irresponsibility. Both scenarios deny the unborn child rights. But abortion is legal so there shouldn't be any problem with denying a child a mother and father.
Posted by gonovice 8 years ago
gonovice
I'm easily confused. My mistake. nice comment very funny.
Posted by Xera 8 years ago
Xera
Sorry if I confused you gonovice: just going along with the general vein of the other comments in the comment section (other than yours that is).

"It can be socially damaging and emotionally damaging to children to grow up with same-sex parents"

Likewise if the children grow up with poor parents too. Perhaps we should pass laws regarding a minimum income prior to conception?
Posted by gonovice 8 years ago
gonovice
Who are you talking to? 25 characters now
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