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Should Shakespeare be allowed in schools

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Started: 2/28/2009 Category: Education
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dmrg

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Shakespeare has books that are cencored!!! that right there should show you that it should be banned, they ban little kid books becouse it suggests bad behavior but shakespear doesnt just suggest it but he practically shows you just how to do it!!!
18freckles

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This is and interesting debate... Good Luck!
But I need a better understanding... Are we talking about Shakespeare in high schools or all the other schools like middle and elementry, because I've never heard of shakespeare in middle and grade school just high school.

And yes some Shakespeare is censored because it may have a lot of innapproipiate things in his readings but we (as teenagers or older) should be able to look through that and be mature about it. Shakespeare may put violence and sexuality in his readings but we should be able to understand that this is (around some time of 1300-1700) and it was the time of the renaissance which revolved around nudity (as in michaelangelos sculpter of david) and around the middle class and pheasants, and shakespeare wrote about the women and men struggles and the love seperation between each of them.

Shakespeare doesn't suggest nor shows how to do bad behaivor. When someone reads Shakespeare they are supposed to well read it to read the story, but also they should look more in depth on how Shakespeare wrote and how he put his words in to make it such a beautiful poem, even though its a story. For example if you read Shakespeares Romeo and Juliet he writes the struggle between the love between the parents son and other parents daughter whom are enemies. Yes there is fighting but it is over the families hate for eachother. And yes romeo and juliet die in the end but when you read it you should see that they both die because of a mistake of one seeing the other dead when she wasnt. We should be able to see the love connectiong they shared not the violence between the two families, thats what Shakespeare wasnt writing about, he was writing about the love and irony in this certain reading.

As you can see as we read these stories in school we should be able to interpret the book the way Shakespeare wrote them and not the way that you see it as.
Debate Round No. 1
dmrg

Con

were talking about whatever grade level, it should be banned. Shakespear suggests rape and things like that, he should be banned as even though some of his sexual contant is hard to understand you can still get what it means. Shaespear is not cencored and if so i dont get how becouse if you were to try to censor it it wouldnt work as he wrote in iambic pentameter and when you take a word out that ruins the way that he write his play, and the way he wrote his plays is what gives life to them!!
18freckles

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Most books have violence, rape, sexual content, and more, are we supposed to ban all of those books? Are we supposed to sit back and read childrens books about how to say your abcs or ryming books like dr. sues?.... PLus most books are about the sexual content that it contains, but in shakespeares he adds it but there is a true and actual meaning behind his stores and writing and if you are not able to retain that information and you just see the sexuailty and such in it then why would you be reading it in the first place... Now if its a school reading ofcourrse you have to read it but you should ask your teacher what the heck is shakspeare saying here. I get how if you take one word out of the story it doesnt seems right, but if something is that bad then no we shouldnt be reading it, but again most stuff we read is all about the violence rape and sex and we cant run away from it if its allowed everywhere else like libraries, it's not like we arent going to see it when we are older right? Books arent rated like movies, they arent rated r pg pg13 or g... so we can't just sign a permission form saying that we can read an r rated book
Debate Round No. 2
dmrg

Con

thats true but then why did they just not to long ago ban book about two male panguins raising a baby penguine, becouse it "suggested being gay is ok" but that has nothing to do with being gay. sure if shakespear used one or two scenes of sexual content that would be ok but there is A LOT of it and becouse there is so much it should be banned. maybe if there wasnt so much, so explain why the penguine book was banned but shakespear isnt!!!
18freckles

Pro

shakespeare has been around for years and it gives a great deal of education to the people who want to write or do something with writing. Shakespeare is famouse, whow ould want to get rid of something so great and old? As for the pegiun I cant say anytihng on that because I dont see the real reason for why it was ban
Debate Round No. 3
dmrg

Con

just becouse he has been around for a long time doesnt mean it cant get ban and plus if people still want to read it they can go to the libraries but it doesnt need to be tought in schools, atleast not his plays but they can still teach his tactics and stuff
18freckles

Pro

How can someone teach his tatics if you can't see what he does? That like saying Im going to teach you how to read without showing a book to you... Shakespeare is very educational to the reading and learning writing process. There is no point in banning shakespeare in schools just because of his content, and if schools do ban it then that would mean that they would have to ban every other book that has bad content in it, therefore if they didnt that would be hypocritical. All in all shakespeare is a good influence in schools as long as the teachers interpts what he is actually saying right and not looking at all the negatives.

good job and good debate
Debate Round No. 4
dmrg

Con

Pretty good debate good job
18freckles

Pro

you too... may the best debater win!!!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Nik 5 years ago
Nik
Censored stuff is good for kids, It makes them realise they dont live in the perfect celebate life their republican mommies like to believe in.
Posted by SaiyashaMisamurai 5 years ago
SaiyashaMisamurai
Poetic Genius -vs- Grand Theft Auto????

I'm curious as to why Shakespear would come off as a threat to you, when there are much worse things curculating.

1) Anyone who's mind is so impressionable that Shakespear's work would inspire some sort of violent behavior would be too young to comprehend Shakespear (or even read it in school) anyway.

2) Also, assuming violence is a priorty issue, there are so many worse things than Shakespear. Grand Theft Auto, Resident Evil, God of War, Saw (I, II, III, IV, & V) - Why would you waste time worrying about poetry when these are much more threatening
Posted by 18freckles 5 years ago
18freckles
sorry for the last part I thought it was the last round
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