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Should Socrates have drank the hemlock?

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Started: 2/20/2013 Category: Philosophy
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Corsettoe

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I believe that Socrates should have drank the hemlock to end his life. Do you agree?
tdurk

Con

I disagree. Socrates should not have drank The Hemlock. He did not believe that death was supposed to be planned. He believed it was supposed to happen naturally.
Debate Round No. 1
Corsettoe

Pro

When did he state that death should be planned? Socrates explained that the best way to live was without the body and only a soul. The only way he could achieve this was death. "It has been proved to us by experience that if we would have pure knowledge of anything we must be quit of the body- the soul in herself must behold things in themselves: and then we shall attain the wisdom which we desire, and of which we say that we are lovers, not while we live, but after death..." He explains that when we die he will understand things and have more wisdom because he will be living without the corruption of the body. " The lovers of knowledge are conscious that the soul was simply fastened and glued so the body- until philosophy received her, she could only view real existence through the bars of a prison, not in and through herself, she was wallowing in the mire of every sort of ignorance, and by reason of lust had become the principal accomplice in her own captivity." He explains that being in your body is like being in a prison. He wishes to free himself of that prison and continue in a way that he will only get wiser and better himself.
tdurk

Con

Exactly...Socarates never did state that death should be planned. In fact, he believes death should occur naturally, which is why drinking the Hemlock was wrong. He went against his beliefs. David Hume states in his article "Suicide" that "What is the meaning of that principle, that a man, who tired of life, and hunted by pain and misery, bravely overcomes all the natural terros pf death, and makes his escape from this cruel scene; that such a man, I say, has incurred the indignation of his creator, by enroaching on the office of divine provident; and disturbing the order of the universe?" Socrates, who drank the Hemlock is clearly disturbing the universe taking his life and not overcoming natural terrors of death and by escaping from this cruel scene. People will now look down upon Socrates for going against his beliefs and planning his death. By committing suicide, he is not following the order of the creator.
Debate Round No. 2
Corsettoe

Pro

Socrates drank the hemlock to prove a point and to end his life in a way that would be better for him and the city. He was in prison and did not want to continue his life in prison or even escape. He had did his time and taught his students all that needed to be done. He spread his wisdom and was now in prison for his wise words. He now wanted to show everyone that in fact death is better then life. He was not scared of death . In "Suicide" David Hume explains, " Though death alone can put a full period to his mister, he dares not fly to this refuge, but still prolongs a miserable existence, from a vain fear lest he offend his marker, by using the power with which that beneficent being has endowed him." Socrates states in "The Apology", " But if death is a journey to another place, and there, as men say, all the dead are, what good, O my friends and judges, can be greater then this?" He was ready and had did his share to the world he needed to end his life in a way that it would have meaning but he was not scared, he was ready. " But i see clearly that to die and be released was better for me; and therefore the oracle gave no sign. The city knows the oracle said he is the wisest man of the land so why would they want to lose a prophet. He drank the hemlock to show them he does not need life to keep spreading his word and be wise he needs to die to let his words live on forever. He is going to die and see all of the people he wants to meet when he says " Nay, if this be true let me die again and again." He knew he needed to die this was his time. " The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways- i to die , and you to live. Which is better God only knows." He knew that his time was done on earth he had did what he was put on earth to do. His name and work will live forever. If he did not die the way he did he would not be remembered for his work and wisdom. He was ready and was proud of what he left on earth.
tdurk

Con

Socrates also believed in living honorably and JUSTLY. In his letter from Birmingham Jail, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. wrote: "One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." Socrates shoud not have drank the Hemlock because his conviction was unjust. He is being a hypocrite by going against all his beliefs and not obeying the just laws.
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