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Should Socrates have drank the hemlock?

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Started: 3/7/2013 Category: Philosophy
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ariasv3

Con

Socrates was his own executor, by doing this he went against his belief of reason and being the wisest man. In “Plato, Crito,” Socrates states that he IS and has ALWAYS been someone that “must be guided by reason.” If so this is true, why did he drink the hemlock voluntarily? In his trial, Socrates was pronounced guilty for “refusing to recognize the gods recognized by the state” and of “corrupting the youth.” Being known for always having the answer to everything put against him, why didn't he argue, for himself, against the Athenians? We can see how Socrates didn't understand what he was doing when he was brought upon the poison. “Now good sir, you understand these things. What must I do?” Socrates should not have drank the hemlock.
anais_matos

Pro

I think that Socrates should"ve drank the hemlock. According to Athenian laws, he committed a crime and he should endure the consequences. Socrates knew the rules and he made a good point when he put himself in the shoes of those in higher power in The Crito and stated "You had seventy years in which you might have gone away if you had been dissatisfied with us, or if the agreement had seemed to you unjust." If he was not satisfied with the rules of the Athenians, he could have resided elsewhere. He chose to stay and by doing so he agreed to abide by their rules. Also, it is not as if the Athenians gave him only the hemlock as an option, Socrates in fact chose this option for himself. They gave him the option of either exile or death and he chose death.
Debate Round No. 1
ariasv3

Con

Socrates' death is an example of non-autonomous self-killing. Non-autonomous meaning it was involuntarily or without the person knowing what they are doing. Socrates, even though he drank the hemlock, it was self-administer execution rather than suicide, so he did not choose death. Sarcastically he offered to be charged with a fine of a modest amount of money, which is in fact when the jurors selected death for Socrates. No matter what his decision was he was still going to be found guilty by the Athenians. If Socrates would've chosen exile, he could've continued teaching his beliefs somewhere else, so there was really no reason for him to have chosen to drink the hemlock. He wanted to die naturally, as he wasn't afraid of death, but he was force to drink the hemlock.
anais_matos

Pro

Socrates was not forced to drink the hemlock, and in fact knew was he was doing. In the Apology, he stated that "And what a life should I lead, at my age, wandering from city to city, living in ever-changing exile, and always being driven out!" He does not want to choose exile because he believes it will be the same everywhere he goes. As one can see, he did have a choice, but he decided it was better for him to choose death. Socrates believed in living justly and honorably and should have drank the hemlock. By not doing so, he would be going against what he believed in. Socrates explains in The Crito that the commonwealth would say ""he who disobeys us acts unjustly" he disobeys us after he has agreed to obey us, without persuading us that we are wrong." By living in Athens, Socrates has agreed to their laws and must follow them. Socrates has been found guilty of the crimes and because he did not persuade them otherwise, he would be acting unjustly if he did not drink the hemlock.
Debate Round No. 2
ariasv3

Con

The reason he drank the hemlock is because Socrates was faced with no other options, if he escaped, which he had the opportunity to do, it would have made him look as if he committed the crime. Socrates was found guilty in an unjust way, there was no evidence to prove the accusation. The Athenians did not like Socrates simply because of his beliefs and his teachings, so regardless he was going to be guilty. The government of Athens believed that Socrates didn't believe in the belief of the Greek regarding the different Gods the they had, but in fact Socrates believed in the Divine Spirit, which is a God. They were accusing him of something false, not believing in a God, something that they did not know, meaning that if Socrates defended himself he was once again, as I've stated before, guilty! Socrates had no reason to drink the hemlock, he didn't deserve to die unjustly.
anais_matos

Pro

As stated before, Socrates did have other options. The fact that he chose one that would lead to his death, doesn't not mean otherwise. Socrates did not escape because it made him look guilty, he choose not to because would be considered an injustice and Socrates was against that. He believed in living just and that meant to "abide by whatever judgments the state should pronounce"" By drinking the hemlock, Socrates showed that he is living justly and honorably by facing the consequences of breaking the laws of the Athens. Laws that were not forced upon him and as he explained what the common wealth would say "Yet we proclaim that if any man of the Athenians is dissatisfied with us, he may take his goods and go away wherever he pleases" " He was not forced to stay and because he was a citizen, he had to follow the rules and suffer the consequences if he broke them. Living justly is what he believed in and drinking the hemlock would prove that.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Wallstreetatheist 3 years ago
Wallstreetatheist
You should both drink the hemlock.
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Vote Placed by tulle 3 years ago
tulle
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Reasons for voting decision: After seeing the hundred threads on the same topic I am withdrawing my vote.