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Should Turkey join to EU?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/27/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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libertarianfreedom

Pro

I think Turkey should be in EU.
Heineken

Con

Thank you for the resolution. I accept the debate.
Debate Round No. 1
libertarianfreedom

Pro

First of all the most important reason that it should join is the growing economy. Turkey has a large economy and it's developing so fast. Last year , it was the most developing economy in Europe. And second economy in world , after China with %10. EU needs that economy in this upcoming crisis. The second reason is EU needs Turkey in foreign diplomacies but if they don't let them in Turkey will search for different directions such as Neo-Ottomanism which is considerably growing in Middle East. Also Turkish people are so tired of this not ending talks with EU and now a majority of people doesn't support EU right now. So they should be quick. Another thing is Turkish Republic has the most different and important geography in world. If you have Turkey in EU , you have an influence in Middle East, Caucasus, Black Sea and East Mediterenean. Turkey always defended EU and NATO in history from all the threats coming from east. All effort that Turkey did to join the union , should be considered by Europeans. If not , they'll lose their greatest partner in the world.
Heineken

Con

Pro established: Turkey has a large economy and it's developing so fast. Last year , it was the most developing economy in Europe. And second economy in world , after China with %10.

Rebuttal: To begin, let’s define Turkey Geographically. The vast majority of Turkey is located in Asia
minor, with only a small portion occupying South East Europe. Additionally, Turkey’s capital city is located on the Anatolian Peninsula, making it an Asian capital city. Despite the media hype dubbing it “the fastest growing European
country”, the 2nd grade geography lesson still teaches kids that Turkey is an Asian country. [1]

The Turkish economy has indeed enjoyed some economic growth, but my opponent exaggerates its impact and longevity. Specifically, my opponent omitted the fact that the growth trend appears to be over. The GDP
economic growth is slowing to a near crawl, improving only 1.6% in the last quarter. According to the
source,“a factory owner near Ankara, needs no reminding that talk of a booming Turkish economy is out
of date. ‘There are serious difficulties in the market’.” [2]

The source argues that Turkish companies have overspent their profits and are now unable to pay back what they
owe. While the public face of Turkey’s economy remains optimistic, the unbiased observer has a far more fatal outlook.
After all, it was only in 2001 that the Turkish stock market crashed. The economy simply has not proven sustained
stability and that makes it a liability to an already fragile EU economy.
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Pro also established:
The second reason is EU needs Turkey in foreign diplomacies but if they don't let them in
Turkey will search for different directions such as Neo-Ottomanism which is considerably growing in Middle East.

Rebuttal
: Turkey is politically unstable. Whether we’re speaking about the Kurdistan Worker’s
Party (PKK - a terrorist group active since the 1960s), or the dangerously open presence of AL Qaeda and
Turkish Hezbollah, Turkey is a center for Islamic extremism. Clearly, the government is unable to stabilize
itself ideologically, which makes it a huge liability to flagrantly Western worldviews, such as those held by the EU.
To prove my premise, please consider that just one week ago a new and popular extremist political party was
created in Turkey, called “Hur Dava Partisi” (New Party of God). The party was previously called “Mustazaf-Der” and
was shut down last May for “acting in concordance with the objectives of the Hezbollah terror organization”. [2] It is
feared that the creation of the new party will divide Kurdish and Turkish Islamist. More violence looms on the horizon
and the EU is wise to keep its distance.

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Pro explained:
Also Turkish people are so tired of this not ending talks with EU and now a majority of people
doesn't support EU right now. So they should be quick.

Rebuttal:
If the Turkish government has any serious designs for joining the EU, it should submit
to the EU timetable. The fact that the Turkish people are “tired” of diplomacy further proves that they are clearly
not invested in serious cooperation with the Western world.

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Pro established:
Another thing is Turkish Republic has the most different and important geography in world. If you
have Turkey in EU , you have an influence in Middle East, Caucasus, Black Sea and East Mediterenean.

Rebuttal:
Illogical assumption. My opponent believes that an “EU” status would convince a population with a
fundamental Islamic ideology to be cooperative and friendly toward its Western neighbors. Since Turkey is 99.8%
Sunni Muslim affiliated, it would be safe to assume the Middle East, Caucasus, Black Sea and East Mediterranean
countries would have influence in Europe, rather than the other way around, as my opponent suggests. This is his
burden to carry and no evidence has been provided.

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Pro explained:
Turkey always defended EU and NATO in history from all the threats coming from east. All effort
that Turkey did to join the union , should be considered by Europeans. If not , they'll lose their greatest partner in
the world.

Rebuttal: False. Just last month Turkey condemned the EU and US sanction against Iran. The country stated: “The
statements by the EU are not binding since we are not a member of the bloc.” [4]

Interesting political tactic. Is Turkey hoping to gather the trust of the EU by publicly condemning them? Perhaps
Turkey believes that Iran is entitled to continue its Uranium enrichment. That certainly seems to be the impression
it gives. Additionally, such remarks are akin to childish tantrums. “If you won’t let me into your clubhouse, I’ll throw
rocks at you until you let me in.”

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Pro also stated that Turkey is the EU’s “greatest partner in the world.”

Rebuttal:
Actually, the EU’s greatest partner is the United States. Whether it’s trade (13.8%) [5],
ideology or history of cooperation, the United States takes the cake.

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Sources:

http://funschool.kaboose.com... [1]

http://www.ft.com... [2]

http://www.al-monitor.com... [3]

http://english.irib.ir... [4]

http://en.wikipedia.org... [5]

Debate Round No. 2
libertarianfreedom

Pro

libertarianfreedom forfeited this round.
Heineken

Con

All arguments extended.
Debate Round No. 3
libertarianfreedom

Pro

libertarianfreedom forfeited this round.
Heineken

Con

Opponent forfeits. All arguments extended.
Debate Round No. 4
libertarianfreedom

Pro

libertarianfreedom forfeited this round.
Heineken

Con

Opponent forfeits. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 5
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Vote Placed by RyuuKyuzo 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Chug, chug, chug, chug!
Vote Placed by 1Devilsadvocate 4 years ago
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Vote Placed by likespeace 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: While Pro presented some arguments for his case, Con presented an intelligent and substantial rebuttal that Pro never responded to. I award Con not only points for more convincing arguments, but also for conduct. It's not polite to simply disappear when your opponent takes the time to present good arguments.
Vote Placed by tmar19652 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: FF