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Should US citizens pay for the research of Stem-Cells?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/16/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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ceaser

Con

First off, let me say that im in favor of stem-cell research. it could/will have amazing breakthroughs in medicine and science. But, i do not want their to be government funding of stem cells.

lets picture that the govt did fund the research. the govt gives money to the scientists trying to make stemcells do miracles in human health. a scientist discovers the cure to a major disease, contracts with hospitals and makes millions of dollars off his breakthrough. however, the govt doesnt get any money back from the scientist.

is this right? should i pay for somone to get rich and not get my money back, or get discounted healthcare? no, i shouldnt. if the scientist discovers a cure with stemcells using only private funding, then good for him and i applaud him for his genius. but i should not have to pay for his research if i dont want to.
brittwaller

Pro

So you're in favor of stem-cell research, but you don't want to pay for it? Or you just don't to pay the government for it? You want to reap the rewards, whether they be cures to diseases or cash money, but you don't want to sow the seeds? Or, you would invest in private firms doing research, just as long as you got your return? Please expand on this.

First, as a practical matter, we ALL pay for things that we'd rather not pay for via the government. That IS government: we all get taxed and the money gets spread out here and there, no matter what we want done with it.

Second, I think your take on government-funded research is a little off, as well: Research is done at public universities and hospitals - public money in this case remains in the public sphere. I'm not aware of individual scientists being handed money. In any case, if there were a breakthrough, I don't see how the government would not make money, as they, not an individual, would hold the rights, patents, etc. to the use of such a breakthrough. If they funded the research to begin with, any discovery made with such funds is pretty much their property, for them to do with as they please. A scientist, university team, or hospital department may get initial credit for the discovery, but the property is US GOV. Such a breakthrough could not help but make money, I would think. All of this, of course, is putting on a side burner the fact that stem-cell research is not about getting rich (or paying for someone else to get rich, or preventing someone else from getting rich, etc) but the advancement of medicine and science and thus mankind.

Third, it seems you would prefer that a private firm make the discoveries to be made and claim the rights for themselves, a la pharmaceutical companies today, thus being able to charge outrageous amounts of money for the information that they own. That sounds like a nightmare: a breakthrough cure is discovered for [insert disease here] but only the richest 1% of people can afford it. I may not like, trust or agree with the government, but the same goes even more for large corporations. What good is a medical breakthrough if no one can afford it? The pharmaceutical lobby is so powerful already that I'm sure if you just agreed to government funding and invested a little in Pfizer, your money which you are worried about will come back to you eventually. (Never mind the actual benefits from the research:)
Debate Round No. 1
ceaser

Con

after doing much more research, i am, for the moment, forfeiting on this issue. brittwaller made good points. point to him.

good argument britt.
brittwaller

Pro

No problem, ceaser. I was hoping you would come back on something I may have missed, but I respect your decision. Thanks for the opportunity of my first debate here. Hope to talk with you again. Peace
Debate Round No. 2
ceaser

Con

yep, was my first debate too.
this is the last round and then ill just vote for you so you can take the win.
brittwaller

Pro

Thank you, I appreciate it. I'm sure that I'll be seeing you around the site. Until then, take it easy.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Robert_Santurri 8 years ago
Robert_Santurri
"CON's argument is incredibly weak as CON is not only unaware that we pay for things we don't want to pay for already, buy that if we citizens didn't pay for Stem cell research via taxation, that a private corporation doing the research would inevitably screw us over as they'd have a monopoly over the benefits that come from stem cell research and would hence be able to over charage us citizens. In addition, CON forfeits. Ergo, I vote PRO"

I agree with you once again LM. Though I would of just left it at the fact that CON forfeited so therefore PRO wins. CON has even conceded in the debate to PRO.
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
You're kidding, right?
Posted by joshandr30 8 years ago
joshandr30
Ha ha ha. You a quarterback? Did you make a home run or a hole in one?
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
Oh yeah, and I automatically vote in favor of one side of spelling and conduct when the other side forfeits rounds. If needed, I'll explain my reasoning behind this. Reliable sources is equal though.
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
CON's argument is incredibly weak as CON is not only unaware that we pay for things we don't want to pay for already, buy that if we citizens didn't pay for Stem cell research via taxation, that a private corporation doing the research would inevitably screw us over as they'd have a monopoly over the benefits that come from stem cell research and would hence be able to over charage us citizens. In addition, CON forfeits. Ergo, I vote PRO.

Yours truly,

The quarterback of the cleaners.
Posted by GaryBacon 9 years ago
GaryBacon
I think that one of the major problems on this site is that many people will vote based on topic only. There is really nothing to do about it. At least brittwaller is winning at the time of this writing. But it shows that you can't take it to heart if you unfairly lose a debate.
Posted by brittwaller 9 years ago
brittwaller
Who knows... I thought this was long over and done with. It was tied for a while, then I had won for a while, now it's tied again. People amaze me sometimes...
Posted by killa_connor 9 years ago
killa_connor
Why is this a tie? Do people read these debates anymore?
Posted by brittwaller 9 years ago
brittwaller
Excellent. I look forward to the beta or delta or whatever other version will be up next. It will be nice to get to know people from around the site without going through a comment-board third party. Happy holidays.
Posted by ceaser 9 years ago
ceaser
i cant wait for it myself so i dont have to keep doing this >(
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