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Should We Say the Pledge of Allegiance at School?

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Started: 3/1/2016 Category: Education
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Fictionia

Con

This is a debate about whether or not we should say the Pledge of Allegiance in school. I am arguing against it, so you will be arguing for it. Here is how it will go:

Round 1: Acceptance/Claim
Round 2: Evidence
Round 3 : Rebuttal
ROund 4: Conclusions

I hope we have a fair and a respectful debate. My claim is that the Pledge of Allegiance should not be said in school.
BenThiel7

Pro

The pledge of allegiance should be said in American schools.
Debate Round No. 1
Fictionia

Con

Students shouldn"t be required to say the Pledge of Allegiance because it"s against some religions. "Even before "under God" was belatedly added to the Pledge of Allegiance, it was objected to by Jehovah's Witnesses (who won't swear patriotic or other oaths)." This is a quote from Jehovah's Witness, which believe that God only created Jesus Christ. However, in the pledge they say that God created America, going against the religion. Also, both Atheists, Muslims, and more minorities feel offended against the statement-and in many religions it states not to speak of another religion as if you believe in such religion (Islamic religion, etc).

As well, some students may not have the ability to understand, or simply don't understand, the pledge. Many students are forced to say such an oath, and yet don"t even know what it means. In schools, no units teach us about the value of patriotism, or the value of the pledge. Students are just stating some mindless chant. According to Humanist.com, "Bear in mind that America has also become a population convinced of its own exceptionalism at levels that border on overcharged nationalism. High-level politicians are now required to mention that we are "the greatest nation on earth," and any suggestion of national humility is interpreted as weakness. Never mind that our rates of violence and rates of teen pregnancy are both embarrassingly high when compared to other developed countries, and never mind that our population rejects evolution and other scientific facts at rates far exceeding the rest of the developed world"we nevertheless see ourselves as vastly superior. This chasm between self-image and reality is stupefying." Many students don"t understand that this is happening, which is why they shouldn"t take such a pledge.

As well, saying the Pledge of Allegiance in school could be considered illegal in some regions of the country. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." This is the First Amendment. This proves that our right is to not say the Pledge of Allegiance. We have a right to sit out, and you can"t force us to say the pledge, as it"s freedom of speech. Also, we have the right to sit out as we have the right to practice our religion if we don"t agree with it. According to Huffington Post, "Since 1943, the law has been clear that public school students cannot be forced to recite or otherwise participate in the Pledge of Allegiance against their will" "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." -Barnette Court. According to the law, we have the right to not say the pledge.
BenThiel7

Pro

The pledge of allegiance promotes patriotism and unity. It is important for immigrants to feel togetherness with America. It doesn't split people apart, it brings them together. As http://www.huffingtonpost.com... states, "Making students stand up and say the pledge each morning is not a jingoistic act of American imperialism or a violation of a student's rights, as some would argue. It's simply a statement of patriotism."

Along with the pledge comes proper education of American history as well. They have to learn why they are saying this. According to http://www.thefederalistpapers.org..., students should have full knowledge of the constitution and other things about government. They have to know the history of why they are saying this. Of why this type of government is the best.

Lastly, the pledge does not discriminate against anyone or force them to do much at all. The pledge is optional for students, but they have to stand up at least. Loyalty should not have to be forced on anyone. We want them to gain loyalty by education. It is also legally not discriminatory against non-religious or differently religious people. A court officially ruled it not discriminatory, saying that the pledge "is a fundamentally patriotic exercise, not a religious one."
Debate Round No. 2
Fictionia

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
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Con

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BenThiel7

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Fictionia 1 year ago
Fictionia
DrewKaltenberger, this is just a little debate. It doesn't really mean anything, and it's not like this is going to convince every school in the country to stop saying the pledge. It's just to voice our opinions on a subject. My opinion is not stupid, and neither is my opponents. It is an opinion, and this is a debate. It is at best to keep it at that.
Posted by DrewKaltenberger 1 year ago
DrewKaltenberger
"The pledge is an oath to uphold righteousness.
anyone apposed is selfish, deluded and impudent."

Yes, thank you. The fact that you are even debating whether or not it should be said is nauseating at best, and extremely pathetic at worst.
Posted by DrewKaltenberger 1 year ago
DrewKaltenberger
This debate is ridiculous. If you don't like the pledge, than you don't have to be in the country. Whoa! its that simple. If you are a citizen, and you make use of the benefits our nation gives you, than you should be saying it. If not, you probably shouldn't be here in the first place...
Posted by GoOrDin 1 year ago
GoOrDin
Yes we should.
except it is important to realize what the pledge means.

The pledge is for equality and a world without harassment (the god-damned advocating of homosexuality in public, schools and media - for fawks sakes.). It is NOT to industry and politicians agendas. It is not to a close minded culture and one sided view on formality and research.

The pledge is an oath to uphold righteousness.
anyone apposed is selfish, deluded and impudent.
Posted by Gondun 1 year ago
Gondun
If I accepted this debate, could I argue for saying the pledge but allowing students to opt out?
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