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Should a republican or democrat be elected? (For = Republican, Against = Democrat)

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Started: 3/25/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 10 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Dinkus

Pro

Join if you think that a democrat should be elected. The 1st round will just be acceptance then we will get on to the arguments and stuff.
Fourthway

Con

I accept my opponents challenge for this debate and thank him for giving me the opportunity to do so. I will argue that a Democrat should be elected for this year's US general election.
Debate Round No. 1
Dinkus

Pro

Let me make a few points.

1. We've had a democrat for the past 8 years, and let's just say that he definetly wasn't a good one.
2. Because of this 8 years, the taxes have gone up and up and up. That's not a good thing at all. Democrats don't realize that the world doesn't have infinite money. They basically make the economy collapse.
3. Here's something that Obama has done: Barack: Hmmm... there are too many poor people. Michelle: HEALTHY FOOD! Barack: I know, how about we take away tons of money from hardworking people who are successful and made a lot on their own, and give it to people who totally can work but decide not too! Great idea! Thanks, Michelle! Michelle: FRUIT IS PART OF A GOOD BREAKFAST

So, as we can see, the past democrat president isn't very good, in fact, he was one of the worst. However, let's look at the presidential race now. Especially at the democrats.

Bernie Sanders: This dude's horrible and some of the 10-14 year olds "voting" for him can't seem to open their eyes to how bad he actually is. Free college? pffffffffttttt. pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft. There's always someone who is going to paying for it. And that is you, paying your taxes. Your taxes will only get higher just to pay for some kid to go to college to get a useless degree and graduate, learning basically nothing along the way except for how to complain that their minimum wage job at McDonalds doesn't pay 15 dollars an hour. Also, listen to this: https://www.youtube.com...
I could go on and on as to why Bernie Sanders is horrible, but common sense covers that.

Hillary Clinton: The only people voting for her are feminist/people who want to see the first female president. I think just a little bit of research just shows how horrible she is. Just read this and that should get you convinced that Hillary is horrible (well, unless you are super biased like some people I know) http://www.marketwatch.com...;

Now, you might say "well, compared to Donald Trump, Hillary or Bernie aren't that bad" Donald Trump isn't that bad though. No one seems to prove why, they just say "Donald Trump will be the next Hitler!!!" and if you ask those people why, they wll say something completely stupid like "ummm it's kinda obvious lol". Also, he wants to cut down on illegal immigrants, which is great. Lots of Mexicans coming to the U.S. are rapists/drug dealers. "no they are not all drug dealers and rapists you racist idiot omg" That is true, but lots are. Want to know why? Because Mexico is purposefully sending those criminals up here. And thats why there should be a wall. "but how will he build the wall lol he didnt think that through did he hahahahah rekt" For example, the great wall of China. They pulled that off, and it was even bigger than what Donald Trump is buildng. So yeah;. "um no he is racist though because he hates immigrants and mexicans" No, he hates illegal immigrants and illegal Mexicans. "well he is Hitler so ha" Hitler killed millions. Donald Trump said a few mean things. If thats true, then I could name tons of people who are Hitler apparently. "whatever im gonna move to Canada if donald trump gets elected" You can't even move out of your own house. "he went bankrupt tons of times so he will definetly do the same to the economy" That was in the past. But he managed to be successful, unlike you. He actually got out of being bankrupt and becoming rich. That's what people don't realize. "well he has no political experience unlike the other candidate ha ha ha got you this time" WHO CARES MATE? He's obviously doing better than anyone else in the race right now, so that just proves he's better! He's beating people who have had lots of political experience; that just proves that he's a great candidate! "you're racist and sexist you jerk bye i won this argument lol bye" You won this argument just as much as the chances that McDonalds will go $15/hour.

So yeah, that was my starting argument. Any rebuttals/points of your own?
Fourthway

Con

I thank my opponent for his response, first I will provide rebuttals for their initial points.

1- "We've had a democrat for the past 8 years, and let's just say that he definetly wasn't a good one."

Why not? The national unemployment rate has dropped from 10.1% in 2009 to 4.9% in this year. The deficit has decreased by 70% since 2007, and Obama has managed to do those things without yanking up taxes to high levels. In fact, The Centre on Budget and Policy Priorities argues that "Federal taxes on middle-income Americans are near historic lows"

It is typically quite hard for a president to pass significant domestic policies due to the checks and balances, as well as political polarisation of American politics. Despite this, Obama managed to pass the Affordable care act, instituted gay marriage, and aided the economy with a stimulus package that has produced positive results as seen above.

http://www.cbpp.org...

http://hubpages.com...
2- You argue that taxes have "Gone up and up and up." Yet evidence shows tax rises by the Obama administration have been modest, and only the top 2% of the population still have higher taxes than from before Obama came into office, not ordinary working people. Here is a graph showing this. http://www.cbpp.org...

You can see from this graph Obama initially decreased taxes for people but then had to increase them, but only to the same old levels as those of the former Republican Bush incumbents, and are clearly lower than the Reagan years too, the man who's wrongly famous for cutting taxes for normal people. You can see the Obama administration has had a sensible tax policy that decreases taxes for ordinary working people. Obama's economics are also better as he used the economic stimulus to help ordinary people, this was also the case when he wisely bailed out the large Detroit automobile industries. This all adds as to why we should have a Democrat as a president, as Hillary Clinton is a part of and a promoter of Obama's legacy and sensible policies.

3- I've already given much mention as to the things Obama has done. http://hubpages.com...

Now for my main arguments about the presidential race:

I am for a democrat being elected in part because of what I have seen in the Republican race. So I will focus mainly on Donald Trump and Ted Cruz for my comments.

We've seen Donald Trump from the start soar to become leader of the race for the Republican candidacy. I agree with my opponent's refutation of Trump being a Nazi, or even a Fascist. However Trump is still a very bad candidate. Riding on a wave of populism, anti-Establishmentarianism and polarisation. Because of Trumps high chances of becoming nominee, I will focus on him and spare a thought for Cruz later on.

As Trump is running on a Republican platform, I will argue why this particular republican should not be elected. Trump has no experience of political office, he has never been a governor, senator, or representative. It is hugely important, especially today to have a president with political experience, not just in legislation building but also through having political influence. Without the needed political gravitas and experience in congress, Trump would run a high chance of being a 'lame duck' president. Many say because of his business 'acumen' he compensates. Trump also had the privilege of being born to a very wealthy family. He enjoyed many advantages, higher cultural, social and economic capital, it's questionable if he'd be where he is if he grew up in a lower middle class household. Even so, Trump is not the best businessman we have seen his failures with Trump University, his botched golf projects in Scotland, and his hiring of illegal immigrants for his projects, ironically what he is running against.

One would hope Trump as a businessman would have a grasp on economics, yet his policy making says otherwise. He is a firm advocate of protectionism, arguing for much higher tariffs on Chinese goods, which would increase the costs of purchasing goods for American people and companies. He wants to build an expensive wall just to stop Mexican immigration, he's arguing for large corporation tax cuts without rearing in social spending so he will run large government deficits, making the USA less credible with credit agencies, increasing risk of US government default, meaning higher interest rates on loans the US government takes out and less foreign direct investment.

Trump is also a very divisive character, he commands very little respect or liking with Europe, so even his only allies will be colder with him. His diplomatically inflammatory policies such as the Mexican wall (and expecting their government to pay for it.) and Foreign goods tariffs will decrease trade and cooperation with the USA, increasing the likelihood of the USA losing its superpower status, it may become a lonely giant.

Ted Cruz is a highly conservative figure and himself has little chance of presidential success. He advocates strongly conservative policies such as to outlaw abortion, effectively overturning Roe v Wade (1973) Ted Cruz would struggle to attract moderates with his policies which are to the right of Trump and most of the American public. Even if he did become President his ideals would lead to society being more divided and it's questionable how many of his policies he could pass, and even if they would do any good for America.

As for the Democrats I would argue they are the sensible choice. As I have done for Donald Trump I will mostly talk about the pros of a presidency headed by Hillary Clinton.

Political experience

Hillary Clinton has a huge wealth of political experience. She has been first lady, a Senator that has won two terms and was also the important position of secretary of state. Unlike Trump, Clinton has a wealth of foreign policy experience. It should be remembered that her actions as SOS is largely guided by the president and not by her own views. Democrats have secured an Iran nuclear deal and a new era of cooperation with Cuba, an admirable multilateral approach to foreign affairs.

Economics

Hillary Clinton calls herself a progressive and is dedicated to combating inequality. She believes earners of over $5 million dollars a year should be taxed more and she advocates an interest in Capital Gains Tax. She advocates cutting taxes for middle earners and small businesses, closing corporation tax loopholes, as well as supporting the idea of an infrastructure bank, a bank that will make investments into Infrastructure, supporting the supply side of the economy. Compared to Donald Trump, Clinton's policies are sensible, progressive and have fiscal balance, unlike trump and Cruz, who's plans would worsen the budget deficit. (Cruz-Huge tax cuts) (Trump-Wall, tax cuts, unwilling to reduce social spending either)

Social:

Clinton is strongly favoured by women and ethnic minorities because of her commitment to social equality and equality of opportunity. Hillary is a unifier and has the capacity to bring America together through her liberal ideals. She supports planned parenthood, reducing economic and social inequality. She supports making healthcare and education more affordable through her support of expanding the Affordable Care Act and by reducing student loan's interest rates. She is a standard bearer of the Obama legacy which has been economically and socially successful, she intends to build on this legacy.

Environment

Unlike climate change deniers Cruz and Trump, both Clinton and Sanders believe climate change is a serious issue and advocate policies to make the US economy more sustainable as a result.

Climate change poses more risk of hurricanes and flooding on the east coast, as well as increased risks of heatwaves and drought in more southern areas. Aside from this climate change will hit poorer parts of the earth much more considerably, countries along the equator will see their water evaporate away, they will have food shortages, unpredictable climate, rising sea levels (very bad for Bangladesh) more heat deaths, the list goes on. The USA, an already immensely wealthy nation has an obligation to protect lives across the planet and the planet itself, A Democrat is thus much better positioned to be the next POTUS, to across people in the USA and the world from climate change.

Effects of climate change: http://climate.nasa.gov...
Debate Round No. 2
Dinkus

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Fourthway

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Debate Round No. 4
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