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firefury14620
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jessica653
Con (against)

Should abortion be criminalized?

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Started: 10/29/2016 Category: Society
Updated: 1 month ago Status: Debating Period
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firefury14620

Pro

I will be taking the Pro stance in this debate. Pro will be arguing that abortion shouldn't be legal, and Con will be arguing that abortion should continue to be legal.
Abortion is a pretty touchy subject for most, but a topic that needs to be discussed. Abortion is, by definition, the termination of a pregnancy. This is most commonly done between weeks 6-9 of the pregnancy. The most common abortion technique is vacuum aspiration. This involves inserting a tube into the vagina and sucking the baby out. As this happens, the baby's limbs are ripped apart, the skull is crushed, and most of the internal organs are practically liquefied from the trauma. This doesn't seem that bad since the baby is only a "clump of cells," but the scary thing is, it isn't just a clump of cells.
Starting from week five the spinal cord, brain, and heart are forming and beginning to function. There are three layers to the baby. The top layer will become the baby's skin, nervous systems, eyes, ears, and connective tissues. At week 6, when most abortions are performed, the neural tube along the baby's back is closed and the heart is successfully pumping blood through its body. Facial features begin to form, and little buds form that will become arms and legs. At this stage the baby can feel pain and it's brain can feel fear and panic. This is the week of the pregnancy where most aborted babies are ripped painfully out of their mothers' bodies. The babies show obvious signs of fear and distress as their sanctuary is invaded. They are then ripped to pieces as they are removed from the body they once called home.
It is not your body, it is a separate living being. It lives inside you, and you help it to grow, but it isn't your body. It has separate DNA, a separate blood type, and sometimes even a separate gender. Does that still sound like your body? In America, you're allowed to murder a baby, provided it's inside its mother. The second it leaves its mother, that murder is a crime. Why isn't murder just murder, no matter how old the victim is?
jessica653

Con

In consideration of the facts, it is my belief that abortion should remain legal. First let us examine the country El Salvador, well known for having one of the toughest anti abortion laws in the world. In 2012 a women was charged the murder of her miscarried child, after authorities suspected an illegal abortion. This women was 19 years old, and she didn't even know she was pregnant. She is now serving 10 years in prison as a convicted murderer. Is this really the kind of world we want to create, where women fear arrest for the 'crime' of losing a baby because authorities suspected abortion?
Of course, it could be argued that in first world countries this wouldn't happen, that it would easy to distinguish natural and unnatural termination, but there are other problems that would apply to any country that isn't a complete utopia. You can spread as much propaganda as possible about how immoral the process is, as you did in your argument, but some women will always be desperate to get rid of their child. Maybe their reasons are understandable from a moral perspective, maybe they were victims of abuse or cannot afford to care for the child properly. Maybe not, maybe they just dislike the gender of the child. Either way, it cannot be denied that such women will always exist. Before legalisation of abortion, procedures offered by black market doctors include unsafe drugs, that had a good chance of harming the mother as well as the child. If that isn't bad enough, there was always the option of coat hangers, knitting needles or just a punch to the stomach. While the technique of vacuum aspiration may seem undesirable from a moral perspective, I'm sure you will agree this is considerably worse. If abortion were to once again be illegal, it is likely these black market abortions would be more common than ever due to the deep web. If you are sceptical as to whether women would really do this, take as an example Ireland, where illegal drugs are commonly used by women. Activist groups campaign for the right to a safer method, like the ones available in the UK. They request that the government 'trust women.'
In conclusion the key here is to imagine what would realistically happen in this scenario. When anything is made illegal, we do not expect it to completely go away. In the case of abortion it is my belief that is far safer for women for the option of abortion to remain in place, even if restrictions were added.
Debate Round No. 1
firefury14620

Pro

When you say that criminalizing abortion will just make people get abortions, you're wrong. If marijuana was legal, I know many people that would jump on it and, according to the CDC, the legalization of marijuana would increase usage by 400%. I believe the same would happen with abortion. Making abortion illegal would make the law-abiding women not get an abortion, therefore saving thousands of innocent lives.
On the argument of abuse, that only makes up <1.7% of abortions. Interesting how that is the go-to argument?

I'm having a bit of a hard time countering your argument because there's nothing to argue. Yes there are other ways to get an abortion. Yes some people don't follow laws. Yes some people are still going to do it. Does that mean we shouldn't try to cut the number down? All you gave were general statements that don't really argue anything, just point out that some people don't follow laws. Regardless of those people, making abortions illegal would reduce the number of abortions performed, that's just the facts.

I leave you with a question, what restrictions would you like to see put in place? You mentioned that at the end of your argument and I feel like I have no closure on that point.
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by firefury14620 1 month ago
firefury14620
Dang, I was hoping she would respond. There's a glitch in the system that makes the debate just end after one forfeited round.
Posted by firefury14620 1 month ago
firefury14620
Do you know how many times, only being 15, that I have heard the abstinence talk? It is pushed almost too much in schools. If you'd like to start a formal debate, knock yourself out, but I will not be debating in the comments.
Posted by missmedic 1 month ago
missmedic
Men that cause unwanted pregnancies must share the responsibility, both financial and criminal.
One of the main causes of unwanted teen pregnancies is poor education practices like abstinence-only education.
Medicaid-funded access to contraceptives and family planning services has been shown to decrease the incidence of unplanned pregnancies, especially among low-income women and teens.

http://www.colorlines.com...
https://thinkprogress.org...
Posted by firefury14620 1 month ago
firefury14620
There are so many places that can give support to mothers. A quick internet search will give you what you need to know about it. It's not even hidden information. I think the punishment for abortion should be a fine for the mother and jail for the person who performed the abortion. If the mother is worried about finances, that should be an effective deterrent.
Posted by missmedic 1 month ago
missmedic
Without proper education, proper support system, and access to birth control, women would be set to become criminals as abortion would be one of the few option left. So do you want to put women in jail or reduce abortions? You need to understand that abortion is but a symptom of a greater problem.
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