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Should all middle schools allow phone usage?

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Started: 11/5/2015 Category: Education
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DavidN21

Pro

I believe that all public schools should allow all students to use their personal mobile devices at any time. I believe it is important for students to use their phones for educational purposes, however it is the student's individual decision to misuse their mobile device at inappropriate times, therefore most likely resulting in some sort of consequence. It is not often or rare that students get to use computers in their classes, so if they are struggling with their work, they should have every right to use their phone to go on the internet and individually get their work done without having to get help from the teacher.
GoOrDin

Con

I am just going to list reasons and examples.

1.) cheating

You specifically said that the phone can be used to get answers online.
That practice fundamentally inhibits cognitive thinking skills which is the primary purpose of going to school.

the most important part of the curriculum is not the material, it is the practice of using the brain. Training to reach logical conclusions. Lack of logical conclusions in modern education systems comes from poor parenting, poor teaching, and negative behaviours form the children.
The behaviours account for something like 70-90% of inefficiency. easily provable.

2.) social effects

bullying. sexual promiscuousness. distractions.

You said people can choose to make mistakes: that is the same idea that people can choose to be politically corrupt, rapists or people who destroy the environment.

The fact is sexual promiscuousness leads to abuse, abandonment, street-prostitution and poverty, pre-mature families, broken homes, idiocy and lack of rational thinking.

Not everyone can afford a phone, and children using them would create social divisions in schools. It would be disgusting, and is proven to be dangerous.

3.) distractions.
... this is harder to pin point because You can be trained to think coherently surrounded by distraction.. but,
the reality is that being able to talk, cheat, game and surf would inevitably prevent - and this ahs been proven many times over in the past - it would inevitably prevent progress in a learning atmosphere.

Those are my key points.
I'll introduce more as it becomes necessary or relevant.

I advise you to not deny, ignore or belittle any of these points or you lose by default for not using reason. SO please, present arguments which are Soo wonderful they overshadow these flaws.

The fact of the matter is though. They are not functional research tools.
Debate Round No. 1
DavidN21

Pro

Let's go back to the point where I said it is the student's individual choice to misuse their mobile device, and there will be CONSEQUENCES.

You stated that the most important part is the practice of using the brain, but how can the student practice the use of the brain if they don't understand the curriculum? Sure they can ask the teacher for help but who wants to be that one student who doesn't understand what the teacher is explaining? They use their mobile device or electronic device to perhaps get a better understanding of their subjects.

Yes, I believe people can have the all the freedom they want with their phones in school. Then you brought up politics and rape and people who destroy the government. This freedom applies to things like that too, there will still be some sort of CONSEQUENCE(S). That's why I want all drugs to be legalized in the U.S. Just because you won't get arrested to do meth or heroine for example, there are still consequences, one being harming your health. Mentioning again, it's your own choice to take actions like that.

You mentioned bullying, someone being sexually promiscuous , ( Just pin-pointing promiscuosness is not a word. )
Bullying over your mobile device or any electronic, A.K.A, cyber-bullying, is nowhere near as much as a problem as face to face or physical bullying, or at least it shouldn't be. I'd be glad to elaborate, cyber-bullying is done majority over some kind of social media or through text messaging. This is not much of problem if you are one of many victims. Instagram, Snap-chat, Twitter, Facebook, Etc. All have the " Block this person ", option for a reason. There you go, problem solved. Text messaging, if you feel you are being harassed, or feel uncomfortable talking to a person, ever heard of the option, " Block this number " ? Same thing applies to someone who is sexually promiscuous, and is harassing someone.

You listed distractions as a reason and an example which confused me. It would be nice if in your next response you elaborate what you mean by people being trained to think coherently surrounded by a distraction. However, even though this could be a distraction to some individuals, come on now, it's the 21st century, people use electronic devices for almost anything these days. Just take a look, 64% of American adults own some sort of smartphone in the year of 2015, nowadays you see 4th or 5th graders with Iphones, society today is, or at least should be used to electronics, smartphones, and/or any kind of mobile devices. So what distractions should American students have, as if they've never seen an electronic device in their life?
GoOrDin

Con

My oponent's Round 2 debate was:

Its the child's own choice (what they do with their phones): if they bully/ cheat/ watch porn/ distract people/ gossip/ promote sexual promiscuousness (leading tot eh glorification of the abandonment and neglect and disrespect and exploitation of women), or any other unnecessary or Inappropriate use.

And their debate case is: To permit everyone use phones.

Thank you.
this debate has ended.
My opponent is immature and incapacitated.
Debate Round No. 2
DavidN21

Pro

DavidN21 forfeited this round.
GoOrDin

Con

GoOrDin forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by DavidN21 1 year ago
DavidN21
it has to do with them because it shouldn't be a distraction to students in this genaration
Posted by Konsto 1 year ago
Konsto
64% of Americans use a Smartphone? what does that have to do with the kids
Posted by GoOrDin 1 year ago
GoOrDin
true. cellphones would be a disturbance. thank u for that.
Posted by j19870928g 1 year ago
j19870928g
Yes, I think so. When shall we prevent somebody use cell phone? I think while they are disturbing others by cell phone. In high school, using cell phone will not disturb others whenever, it is obviously that.
Posted by Konsto 1 year ago
Konsto
I am going to have to go with Con on this one. Pro, I just hope you know that often and rare are antonyms (" It is not often or rare that students get to use computers in their classes"). Children, many with little self control, will not be able to stop themselves from texting instead of working. Children obviously will choose to play video games. Enough kids decide to drop out of school when they turn 18. Do you think we can trust kids with self phones when they are supposed to be working. That will result in many children not getting education because they were too busy playing on their phones. It is completely mad that you think we should "just trust them". Children can not be trusted. There is a reason why they are not aloud to use alcohol, cigarettes or drugs. In college, anybody is aloud to use their phones at any time because the people their understand that they are paying money for the education so they are not going to get easily distracted since they are the ones losing out if they don't pay attention. There is a reason why we force kids legally to go to school. Kids already do not pay as much attention as they should in schools and you are saying " you know what would be a good idea in a country where our military is the best but our school system is terrible compared to countries our rank and a country where about 10% of kids already don't graduate. Lets give the kids phones so the good kids get smarter". The problem with that is that the kids who are already not doing well (the "bad" kids) will take advantage of that and waste more time in class and then end up stupider than they would have been anyway. The middle class is already disappearing and we don't need the stupid kids to get stupider. I think it is time for Pro to forfeit.
Posted by GoOrDin 1 year ago
GoOrDin
phones are for gossip and networking, their educational application is limited.
Posted by DavidN21 1 year ago
DavidN21
care to debate?
Posted by GoOrDin 1 year ago
GoOrDin
absolutely not.
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