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Should animals be kept in zoos

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/15/2016 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 9 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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natasha379

Con

Animal, what are animals? They are anything that lives and moves incuding us! How would we feel like if we were stuck in cages, taken from our homes and families to be put in a cage? If we were made fun of everyday, we wouldnt fell good. So why on earth do we have to do it to other animals? We have no right to put them under enormous stress and other things

If you think otherwise u know what to do
fire_wings

Pro

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Debate Round No. 1
natasha379

Con

These days people tend to forget that animals have feelings. Animals at zoos have to deal with people staring at them every single day, kids making faces and making fun of them. If that happened to you now, you would try to stand up for yourself. These animals cant because they are stuck in a small enclosure or cage. These animals have nothing to do in their enclosures they can only sit there and do nothing and get made fun of till their at the point of stress. This is called Zoochosis. What is zoochosis? Well according to the Collins online dictionary it means psychological problems associated with animals kept in prolonged activities. More commonly-zoo animals exhibit signs of extreme depression and related psychological conditions as they struggle with the confines of their captivity. This behaviour includes bar biting, playing with faeces and also eating them, rocking and pacing. When the public sees this they complain to the zoo, and what do most zoos do? The inject them with substances that make the animals forget about things and also calm them and then in some cases they have to be put down because you cant help them. Now this wouldn't happen in the wild would it? They are free to do as they please and aren't forced to do anything. We are animals too, so why don't treat other animals with a bit of respect?


Sorry if this doesnt give you much to work with, this is my first debate here so i dont exactly know what to do exactly, pls bear with me and thks for accepting


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fire_wings

Pro


Framework



Okay, BoP is on Con. He has the burden of proof. All of my opponents sources are not in match. See here in plagscan (http://www.plagscan.com...?) I will be making arguments about Utilitarianism, endangered animals. Now, why am I arguing for no animal rights? Because this animals should not be in zoos debates are exact debates of animal rights, if animals have rights they should not be in zoos, if they do not have rights, they should be in cages.



Argument 1: Utilitarianism



What is the definiton Utilitarianism? It is this.



Utilitarianism: the belief that a morally good action is one that helps the greatest number of people



This basically means that if there are more good things than bad things, more benefits than diadvantages, they do it.



Okay so, what are the good things of animals not having rights, and animals in zoos



Advantages



1. We can have animal testing, because animal testing is very important for us humans to have cures, medical issues, much more. This research has saved many lives, even animal lives, also humans.



2. Humans eat. We need protein. Also meat and seafood are good. If animals have rights, that means that we cannot eat meat and seafood, which is a major source of protein, because many people don't eat lots of beans because meat tastes better.



3. Many animals will become extinct. Making zoos will not only save animals, it will make people have a chance looking at them.



4. There are so many things you can’t do if animals have rights, like you can’t fish, hunt, learn things in zoos, go to zoos, and it is hard to study from animals.



There are just so many advantages for animals not having rights, but if animals do have rights, that means that we can’t fish, hunt, eat meat or seafood, study for animals, go to zoos, and the endangered animals will all die. If we want animals like pandas still to be alive, the zoo is the only choice.



Argument 2: Animals will become extinct



This is kinda like my fourth advantage, but it will be explained more.



Yes, endangered animals will be extinct.



Lets take an example of a siberian tiger.


“The Siberian –or Amur- tiger is considered a critically endangered species with the primary threats to its’ survival in the wild being poaching and habitat loss from intensive logging and development.”



My opponent can say that we can stop. But sadly we can’t. Fur coats are not only pretty, they are also very warm, good for the winter. So the tiger will soon become extinct. But if there are zoos, then we can at least know there are some tigers that are safe, but bored in zoos. Even if there are no tigers left, there will be in zoos. These tigers will have babies also. This is the only way we can stop this. Yes, many people are trying to protect tigers from hunting, but there is two more problems.



The first problem is habit loss.



“Tigers are extremely territorial though so they will fight other animals and other tigers that invade their space. This problem has become more of an issue due to the natural environment for tigers being destroyed at an alarming rate, as a male tiger may have a territory of up to 60 to 100 square kilometers, while females up to 20 square kilometers, as this numbers change according with the habitat and subspecies. As a result they have to venture into new territories to be able to find adequate amounts of food.”



This is a big space. However, tigers can’t use this much. People build homes, and there territory will be destroyed. This means that they fight with other tigers, but because the spaces are getting smaller, they have to fight, and one will probably die.



The last problem is food. There is not a lot of food in Siberia or any foods that a tiger can eat, like deer or rabbits. The tigers will soon starve. Many tigers even died because of this. If they are in zoos though, they can have food easily.



Conclusion



There are tons of advantages if animals do not have rights and if animals are in zoos. Vote for Pro!


Debate Round No. 2
natasha379

Con

natasha379 forfeited this round.
fire_wings

Pro

Well, thats dissapointing. Extend vote for Pro!
Debate Round No. 3
natasha379

Con

natasha379 forfeited this round.
fire_wings

Pro

My opponent had conceded in the comments. Vote for Pro!
Debate Round No. 4
natasha379

Con

natasha379 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by fire_wings 9 months ago
fire_wings
thx.
Posted by natasha379 9 months ago
natasha379
Thanks for taking the time to debate with me, im sorry for not posting an argument as im very busy with school work with 3 tests and 3 assignments already, and also the fact that I have nothing to rebut, your points were very good and actually made me think you were quite right especially with the point about tigers and their habitats and everything. Im sorry for not posting another debate, and so I concede defeat because of your vey god arguments.
Good luck with your other debates, especially the one with provideoman123 u r smashing him, I would vote for u but I cant as I haven't done 3 debates
good luck! and sorry

Natasha379
Posted by fire_wings 9 months ago
fire_wings
Okay. It is actually 3 days.
Posted by natasha379 9 months ago
natasha379
ill try to make it later but I only have two days left on the deadline thingy and school starts tomorrow so ill see wht I can do
Posted by fire_wings 9 months ago
fire_wings
Can you please post your argument a bit later? I am very busy, and if you post quickly, I won't make it. Thanks.
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