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Should cities support the homeless and try and help

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Started: 12/3/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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phersh18

Pro

Yes cities should support the homeless, because they are citizens of that city and the city should feel obligated to help their people.
gherkin

Con

No they shouldn't. The homeless don't the city, they don't pay taxes, they don't pay bills, and all they do pay for is drugs. That's why their on the streets in the first place. Yes, the public can support them but not the city
Debate Round No. 1
phersh18

Pro

Part of why they are on the street is because of the city. Not all homeless people use drugs. Part of the reason they don't pay taxes is because they don't have a house or a job and they don't have a job because they usually have lost their identification so they cant get a job. In my city, you want to know how those people lost their ID? The city. They came and took all the homeless peoples belongings and told them to leave. Where the hell were they supposed to go? It is the cities job to help their own citizens get back up on their feet so that they can pay taxes and support the city. instead we ignore the problem and it grows and grows, soon enough it will be too big and a little to late. The money is there to support the homeless. It costs more to arrest a homeless person than it does to help them, so I have no idea why why keep arresting them. To touch on homeless rights. In my city the thirteenth largest city in the country, we tried to make panhandling illegal, which violates the First Amendment.
gherkin

Con

The whole reason their on the street is because their irresponsible. They had their chance to pave their own future in school but clearly they didn't take it seriously. And what exactly is the city supposed to do when someone doesn't pay their mortgage on their house. They cant order a hotel room for them until they get their finances together. Its their own damn fault.
Debate Round No. 2
phersh18

Pro

It's not that the don't don't life seriously , it's that they may have not been given the se chances as others. Using examples of homeless people that I am personally friends with, they could have been abandoned as a child or parents could abuse drugs or they could have low income families. All are very common. Homeless people usually have a reason to be homeless and it is not because they are lazy or they abuse drugs. That is a stereotype and stereotypes are true but only for a all fraction of the group but we make an over generalization. Homelessness is NOT a crime however so I do not understand why we as cities are arresting them for being homeless. For homeless rights cities should not be discriminating against people of a lower social class. Homeless is a serious problem and our community including the city should be trying to stop it. Not ignore it because soon enough the problem will erupt and when it does the city will have no choice to help and they will lose lots of money because of it. However if they suck it up now and help out and provide public services and help people with a 5 step program and give them rights, it will cost the city (indianapolis) so much less money. We have no problem with helping people over seas. That's great, but we can barley help those who are living in our own backyard. Once we can handle taking care of our own people we can start helping. But the city should be protecting and helping it's people not hurting. I bet you didn't know that when the superbowl came to indianapolis the city threw the homeless in jail. Not only is that expensive, but it is also horribly wrong. We said that they made our city ugly. Having homeless people on the streets is ugly, but having hookers wander around isn't. It's time for our cities to stop hiding the homeless and it's time to man up and help them.
gherkin

Con

You clearly don't know the prostitution is illegal as well, if you caught selling your body your arrested too. And they probably arrested those homeless people at the super bowl for either asking people to panhandle or abusing drugs. Besides, having parents that make low income doesn't mean you cant get an education. Public school is free so either way they would've gotten an education to begin with. Also education is required by law from kindergarten through 12th grade so its not like they didn't have a chance. You also stated in your argument that we should give the homeless rights. They have the same rights as us, the city cant take away peoples rights. And like Cheyennebodie said in the comments their is no such thing as homelessness, just workload's. If they would just get a part-time job they wouldn't be in this predicament. Its their own damn fault that their homeless. Besides its not even that hard to find a low paying job or a cheap apartment. You also said that were busy helping people over seas than our own people. First off its not the city helping them its volunteers who want to help those deprived countries. Second, the people in other countries are in more need than our own homeless. The people within other countries are suffering from disease and famine and drought. While the homeless people here aren't, yes I know they are hungry and cold but atlas they aren't suffering like the people in third world countries. And you stated Indianapolis jailed up the homeless, that's only one city. Your city may have different views of homelessness. That's not every city's belief.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by phersh18 2 years ago
phersh18
thats not true. Civil rights. They took away their rights and they did nothing wrong. Lets be real gay marriage and Homeless rights are civil rights movements but in a different time period. Trying to make panhandling illegal is violating the first amendment. Around 50,00 vets are homeless any given night and the least we can do as a city and a country is support those who have risked their lives to protect this country that we call home.
Posted by gherkin 2 years ago
gherkin
the city cant take away their rights, you cant take away anyone's right unless you did something bad and ended up in prison.
Posted by phersh18 2 years ago
phersh18
But yes good debate
Posted by phersh18 2 years ago
phersh18
and I believe that we should worry about helping our own people before we get involved in other countries. Also most top 15 cities by population handles homelessness like this and I believe only five cities have a homeless bill of rights. And the city can take aways their rights. They tried to outlaw panhandling which is freedom of speech.
Posted by phersh18 2 years ago
phersh18
btw panhandling is not illegal it is protected under the first amendment
Posted by gherkin 2 years ago
gherkin
Good debate I actually enjoyed that one. You had some good arguements too.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
There is nothing wrong with helping people when you reach in your pocket and give them help. But it is immoral to reach in the next guys pocket and get them something.

There is no such thing as homelessness. There is worklessness. Get any kind of a job and you can get a cheap apartment. The only person that can stop you from working is you.Even if you have to grab a broom and sweep the streets. Get that work ethic going and job opportunities will come.Mostly in the form of hard work.
Posted by AVPC 2 years ago
AVPC
Interesting debate. Let's see where you take us with this. I recommend pro to use the system and culture to back up his/her arguments.
Posted by gherkin 2 years ago
gherkin
No.
Posted by cheybooboobae 2 years ago
cheybooboobae
kk call me
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