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Should downloading music be considered illegal?

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Started: 5/13/2008 Category: Technology
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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coinoperatedboy

Con

yeah, let the other dude speak first ;] woot woot good luck! and please everyone, judge on who you think debated better, not personal opinion.
Paradigm_Lost

Pro

You own a music store and somebody walks in and takes cd's off the shelf and walks out the door without paying for it. What crime was just committed? Shoplifting, right, which is a form of thievery? Why would piracy of movies or music be any different simply because its digitalized? Does it somehow how make less personal because you aren't actually there?Is wire fraud any less criminal than robbing a business at night? It shouldn't be, for the sole point that their revenue is now in your possession.

People often point out that these music companies make money hand over fist and overcharge their customers. I agree, however, it does not detract from the crime. First of all, business' run by supply and demand. The success of a business is determined by customers, not the owners. Because as long as someone is willing to pay the ridiculous prices for a CD in a shop, which is now anywhere from $17 to $25, that is their prerogative. Its your prerogative to either buy it or not.

What is not your prerogative is to steal music away from the artist, the label, or the vendor, regardless of how much money they make. That would be a weak justification to a moral problem, and I certainly hope my opponent wouldn't use just such a weak argument in defense of his/her assertion.

The Golden Rule. If you were running a business, you wouldn't want people to steal from you, so why hypocritically do it to them?
Debate Round No. 1
coinoperatedboy

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coinoperatedboy forfeited this round.
Paradigm_Lost

Pro

I suppose at this point I would just reiterate that piracy is illegal for a reason. If a band really wanted you to have their music for free, they would allow it. A few bands that lean towards the communist persuasion encourage it, but we forget how bloody rich they are behind the scenes. Take Rage Against the Machine, for example. I've never seen a band get richer off a capitalist system by denouncing the very capitalist system that bloats their pockets. Then you have System of a Down that even entitled one of their albums, "Steal this Album." To young kids who have no idea how business works, it gives them this Robin Hood impression where the wealth of the rich is begin distributed to the poor.

But what is the reality? It takes money to make money. And quite frankly, no band could tour or even make a decent album without monetary support. Trust me, I know from firsthand experience. It is a lot of work trying to make an album and tour without help from a third party. Perhaps some of you have never really understood what a label is or what it is for. Lets take, for example, Roadrunner records. Why do they exist? A label exists to provide fledgling, enormously talented bands, but who do not have the funds to make or distribute an album, the monetary resources to make their dream happen. Even a poor quality recording costs an sound engineer a few thousand dollars. So a label like Roadrunner steps in and says that they will front you this money, pro bono, and then will make and mass produce album covers and the cds themselves, and distribute them worldwide, thus giving the band the exposure it needs to be worth a damn in a very competitive music industry.

BUT, that means the label is now entitled to some royalties. While the band may rightfully keep the bulk of the money, none of these services are paid with hugs. Money feeds their kids, not hugs, so money is what they desire. Upon contractual agreement they will receive a percentage of the total. So lets say you made a cd being sold for $15. The store selling it makes a $5 dollar cut, the label makes an $8 cut, and the band receives the remaining percentage, or whatever was worked out through contractual agreement.

Now, when you pirate music or dvd's or whatever else, what you are actually doing is nothing short of something like taking money out of a vending machine, or taking money from a collection plate, or breaking a parking meter and stealing the money. Napster did one of two things, one negative, one positive: On the negative side, Napster showed that the old way of business with music stores was approaching being obsolete in a growing digital market. That's cool. But he invented a way to steal music and entice people with it. Not cool. Sure, everyone wants free music, even me. But we can't forget what something like that does to the economy or the band you love so much!!! If you love 'em so much, stop stealing their money!

I know its crappy to pay friggin $22 per cd. Its highway robbery! But guess what? Part of those high expenses are them trying to compensate for the revenue lost from PIRACY! You're doing it to yourself. They are embedding cost in to the product because so many people en masse are no longer buying cd's. This why dotcom industries like itunes is capitalizing on Napster's invention. You pay a nominal free to have access to almost any album ever made.

I think we all get the picture at this point. Everyone wants something for nothing, not worrying about the consequences they may have down the line. Stealing music digitally is no different than stealing it digitally from a bank. You are robbing someone of their money.
Debate Round No. 2
coinoperatedboy

Con

coinoperatedboy forfeited this round.
Paradigm_Lost

Pro

I was looking forward to some kind of argumentation... Oh well.

So let me close now. I fully expected a semantical argument from this poster. I expected my opponent to argue that there are ways to download music that are not illegal. Of course, I would promptly have refuted it by mentioning that certain kinds of downloading is not illegal, and therefore, is irrelevant.

But my opponent made no argument whatsoever. Eh... *shrugs*... maybe next time.
Debate Round No. 3
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