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Sean_Norbury
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Should every American be entitled to a college education?

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Started: 2/2/2014 Category: Education
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Sean_Norbury

Pro

We are the richest country in the world. There is no reason why every state shouldn't offer a free college education to students as long as certain academic obligations are kept by the student.
TH3Antag0nist

Con

Counter Argument #1

To start off, you said this ,"We are the richest country in the world." The United States are not the richest country in the world as a matter of fact (based off of GDP). Here is a list of the richest countries in the world:
1Qatar$77,445.61$88,313.13$97,987.01$102,211.00$105,091.422011
2Luxembourg$76,832.29$78,641.61$79,777.99$79,785.04$79,593.912011
3Singapore$49,919.56$56,865.16$59,594.79$60,409.98$61,567.282011
4Norway$51,922.18$52,034.15$53,157.75$55,008.77$56,663.472012
5Brunei Darussalam$50,985.72$52,091.22$53,557.21$54,388.65$55,111.202011
6Hong Kong$44,120.22$47,369.93$50,296.10$51,494.15$53,432.232011
7United States$45,461.43$46,811.06$48,328.25$49,922.11$51,248.212011
8United Arab Emirates$45,913.80$45,759.38$47,728.78$49,011.59$49,883.582009
9Switzerland$41,785.02$43,156.72$44,451.65$45,417.81$46,474.952011
10Australia$38,595.00$39,674.44$40,949.02$42,640.28$44,073.812011

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The United States is number 7. So no we are not the richest country in the world.

Counter Argument #2
In today's public schooling system, k-12, teachers are paid by the government. The government makes money off of us. If Colleges were to offer free education than taxes would be increased. Right now teachers don't make much money, now also having to pay for College Professors than teachers would make even less. Colleges off many different scholarships to help pay for your tuition. For those who truly want to go to college they just need to try in high school.

Conclusion:
College is for the advanced students if we just let anybody join them then it would be a mess. It would not only raise taxes but deduct from government paying jobs.
Debate Round No. 1
Sean_Norbury

Pro

Response to Counter Argument #1

Sorry, I meant we had the largest economy in the world. So let's forget about counter argument number one, even though I like how you threw those statistics in there. Numbers do not lie.

Response to Counter Argument #2 (Even though I really want to respond to that conclusion)

Judging from your responses I'm guessing you are somewhere between the middle and far right. Tax dollars pay for employees of public schooling systems. So the government may cut the checks, but we are the ones paying them. Which is fine with me because a good education is the most important thing for any country. The government makes money off of us isn't really a good enough sentence to give an accurate response to, but yeah, we fund the government. I don't care if taxes would have to be increased for states to offer free college educations. There is enough money flowing through this country to offer a free college education to everybody. We spend about three quarters of a trillion dollars on defense every year. It's nice having the most powerful military in the world, but it doesn't need that kind of money to keep us safe. There is a lot of corporate corruption in those dollars. We have the funding in this country to pay teachers more. The rest of "Counter Argument #2" is not worth responding to, I really want to get to that conclusion of yours.

Response to Conclusion

College can be for everybody. If we had a better K-12 system set up to have young adults ready for the real world straight out of high school, then maybe college wouldn't be "necessary". College is definitely not for what you call the "Advanced Students" because I had a student with a mental disability in my graduating class. You talk of money as if it is the most important thing in the world. It is not. It is what causes all the greed in the world, which is at the core of just about every single issue humanity is facing.

A Couple Questions

Why would more students deduct from government paying jobs?

Is the mess of having too many college students too hard of a job to clean up for the Almighty America?
TH3Antag0nist

Con

TH3Antag0nist forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Sean_Norbury

Pro

Sean_Norbury forfeited this round.
TH3Antag0nist

Con

I apologize for forfeiting my round voters.

Counter Argument #1
First of all you said this,"Judging from your responses I'm guessing you are somewhere between the middle and far right."
Well I am a Freshman in high school actually.

Anyways, you state this in your opening argument,"Judging from your responses I'm guessing you are somewhere between the middle and far right."
So the Pro is fine with paying more taxes and insists that every American should pay more taxes. Well, Pro not every American can afford more taxes right now.

Counter Argument #2
There are many students that would be happy with taking advantages of the newly raised taxes however there are many that would not be happy. It is estimated that 1 million students will not graduate high school this year. Do you think they will want to go to college? Even of those that do graduate, how many of them want to go to college.

Response to Questions:
1.Why would more students deduct from government paying jobs?
A: Tax payers money would have to be split up between government jobs. Adding deans and professors to that small budget will not help.
2.Is the mess of having too many college students too hard of a job to clean up for the Almighty America?
A. Pro we would have to triple the amount of colleges built and triple the amount of professors and other staff. It would not be an easy or cheap task.

Conclusion:
Pro you seen to think America is rich. Well we are not we more than 14 trillion dollars in debt. Our country cannot afford that right now. Maybe in the future we could but not now. Finally, I was wrong about when I said college is for the advances. Only Prestigious colleges are. In reality it is not that hard to get into an easy community college for free. You just have to try in high school or be good at sports. If you don't try in high school than I don't think you deserve a college education.
Debate Round No. 3
Sean_Norbury

Pro

Sean_Norbury forfeited this round.
TH3Antag0nist

Con

TH3Antag0nist forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Sean_Norbury

Pro

Sean_Norbury forfeited this round.
TH3Antag0nist

Con

TH3Antag0nist forfeited this round.
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