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brendanfmcclelland
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Should evolution be taught in public schools?

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Started: 5/6/2016 Category: Science
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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brendanfmcclelland

Pro

I think and it should because it is valid science and it is well supported by evidence and creationism and intelligent design shouldn't be taught because a) it is not science, b) it is unconstitutional to teach, and c) it is religious dogma and Supreme Court declared so.
experiment626

Con

Evolution: The science of guesses and theories.

Contention 1: I am going to the 1st amendment to justify my argument.

The first Amendment grantees religious freedom. The purpose of this amendment is not to fully separate the church and state, as what is commonly believed, but to make sure that the government doesn't establish an official religion, or prohibit excessive of religion.
So I would like to Quote Joseph Story, from his famous commentary on the Constitution.

"The real object of the first amendment was, not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judean, of infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment, which should give the Hershey the exclusive patronage of the national government. It thus cut off the means of religious persecution, and of the submersion of the rights of conscience in matters in religion."

Basically the point I am trying to make here, is that the whole argument about separation of church and state according to the 1st Amendment is invalid.

Contention 2: Evolution has many holes in the theory as a whole.
*the pun was intended there

Missing Links: we have never really found a missing link, that hasn't turned out to be an animal fossil.
Big Bang theory: Also incorrect, due to the fact that some matter had to exist before The big bang actually happened, but since matter cannot be created or destroyed, my question is- Where did this matter come from?
Why did humans evolve but the monkeys didn't??

Contention 3: Evolution violates religious beliefs.

Everyone in this century is trying to make everything so that no one is offended.
The reason the Engel v. Vitale case started was Because some people were offended by prayer in schools. I believe that Vitale made a very critical point
according to http://www.uscourts.gov...

The First Amendment does not prohibit every interaction between government and religion. By providing for a nondenominational prayer, the state was very careful to choose a prayer that was mindful of the many diverse beliefs of those who attend New York's public schools. The prayer simply acknowledges dependency on and appreciation of a divine being, God. Adherents to all faiths can interpret this provision in light of their own faith traditions. Even if a person were an atheist or an agnostic, that individual does not have to say the prayer. If anyone feels strongly opposed, that person may be excused. A nondenominational prayer of this sort, without adherence to any particular creed, is not the same as a government "establishment" of religion."evolution in schools is a violation of the 1st amendment rights.

Although the movement to separate church and state began long before this case, it is one of the major things to set it in motion. I believe that teaching

So it is for these reasons that I firmly stand on the Negative side, and oppose evolution being taught in schools.
Debate Round No. 1
brendanfmcclelland

Pro

Your information on the First Amendment does hold some merit. But in case you haven't noticed the banning of teaching evolution in public schools was ruled unconstitutional in 1968 with the Epperson vs. Arkansas case. Same thing happened again in 1987 with the Edwards vs. Aguillard case, thus ruling the teaching of creation science unconstitutional. Then in 2005 the teaching of intelligent design was ruled unconstitutional with Kitzmiller vs. Dover. And last but not least prayer in school was ruled unconstitutional with numerous Supreme Court cases. So Supreme Court really set the record straight. Teaching creationism and banning evolution would only force a certain religious belief on an uninterested student. Take a Muslim or Hindu student for example.

Now for the Big Bang theory. That is not evolution. Evolution does not deal with the origin of the universe or the origin of life. Evolution deals with the development of species.

About transitional forms. I suggest you consult a paleontologist at your local natural history museum. He or she could show you one and gladly explain it to you.
experiment626

Con

experiment626 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
brendanfmcclelland

Pro

I'd also like to add that we did not evolve from monkeys nor did we evolve from modern apes such as chimpanzees or gorilla. We essentially evolved from proto-humans such as Cro-Magon man and Heidleberg Man. So whatever we evolved from is now extinct.
experiment626

Con

experiment626 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
brendanfmcclelland

Pro

Are you going to debate or are you not?

Anyway teaching creationism is unconstitutional because it forces religious beliefs on those who are not interested. For example you shouldn't force Christian beliefs on a Muslim or a Hindu student or any other non-Christian for that matter. And in case you haven't noticed "One nation under God" wasn't always in our Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" wasn't always on our currency. We only had that since 1954 and 1956 respectively.
experiment626

Con

experiment626 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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