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Octanius
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TheMaster_de_Bator
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Should guns be banned?

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Octanius
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/13/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Octanius

Con

Guns should not be banned. I do not own a gun, nor does anyone in my family. I am fully aware of the danger of guns and of the school shootings that have occurred. But banning guns is a bad idea. In 2010, in America, 32 percent of people own guns. (http://www.theblaze.com...). That is a lot of people. If you ban guns, how are you going to collect all of those guns? Will you march up to each and every one of their doors? And how do you know it wouldn't end up like Prohibition? We all know how that turned out. We shouldn't ban guns, but rather have an extensive waiting process to buy a gun, especially an automatic, whether it be a rifle or a pistol. You should need more than a hunting license to buy a hunting rifle. Guns are dangerous. They can hurt or kill people. But we can't ban guns. It's not even an option.
TheMaster_de_Bator

Pro

If you compare the rates of gun related crime in America (a country with a strong gun relation) to UK you will see that out of the 75 countries America was rated 13th with 10 deaths per 100,000 population per year, while compared to UK with just 0.25 per 100,000. This shows a stark different, now this may seem as just a small difference, but the fact is that america is a more densely populated country and for it to have a higher death per 100,00 to UK. this shows how guns are not in fact creating safety as the purpose they are for, but they are causing crime.
Your reasoning for not banning is the problems in attempting to getting the guns, however, this is not grounds against, yes i accept that not all guns will be taken, but isn't less guns on the streets better than more? it is easy to organize a way of collecting firearms, not 'march up to the house' but do it in an orderly fashion, send a notice to registered fire arm users to hand their weapons into the Government and track if this has been done until action must be taken. Also banning guns would mean an added fear factor in using the guns, for example if it becomes a crime then people will be reluctant to face an additional charge.
Debate Round No. 1
Octanius

Con

You're acting as though the only people in America who own guns want to do hurt people. What about all of those people who own a gun for hunting or for sport? The ratio of people who own guns and hurt people to the people who are peaceful and own a gun is extreme. You can't judge the whole group of gun owners by a couple of maniacs. We should filter out these people and make it difficult for them to get a gun. Do you know how many states have registration laws? 4. And 3 of those are for assault weapons. (http://www.theblaze.com...) We need to make it harder to own a gun, not eliminate it completely. If we did choose to eliminate it completely, it would be a ton of money and work by the government. Not to mention the people who believe in laissez faire, many people will get angry. And this would only do a little more than increasing the restrictions to own a gun, which is a lot less hassle. Banning all guns isn't a practical option when there are other solutions that are much easier.
TheMaster_de_Bator

Pro

TheMaster_de_Bator forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Octanius

Con

You say "I accept that not all guns will be taken." Wouldn't those people be breaking the law? Have to be caught and brought to justice? If in 2010 32 percent of people in America owned guns, and the population in America in 2010 was 308,745,538 according to the US census. 32 percent of 308,745,538 is 98,798,572 rounded down. If even a fifth of those people didn't hand in their guns, we would have 197,597 new criminals. It would overwhelm our justice system and cost us a ton of money. And banning guns as a fear factor? That's like killing a criminal to ward off other possible criminals to not commit crime. It's not fair or just. Banning guns as a fear factor is ridiculous and banning guns to take them all away is time-consuming and as I said before, there are more practical options than banning the whole lot of them.
TheMaster_de_Bator

Pro

TheMaster_de_Bator forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by SE2 2 years ago
SE2
Whether or not you believe citizens should own guns or assault weapons for that matter is irrelevant. The most important reason for the 2nd amendment was to allow people to have weapons to overthrow the government if it became grossly tyrannical. Yes that includes assault weapons how is a citizen going to fight the government with a pistol if the government has machine guns and tanks.

(Didn't mean to come off as Rush Limbaugh but I think one of the main purposes of the 2nd amendment should at least be noted.)
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
saska....Everything I said was factual. YOU are the one that walks in emotions and disillusionment. Not truth.We should be able to see into what people say and do, not just what they say and do, but their intent. And that takes many years of listening and watching. And not watching the kardashians on TV.
Posted by Saska 2 years ago
Saska
@cheyenne Reading your post was like watching Fox News... It was pointless, idiotic and lacks any real truth or fact. Go on continuing to believe the absurdities that you are spouting if you must, but get used to people laughing to your face at what you are saying. You clearly don't live in reality.
Posted by ggParsons 2 years ago
ggParsons
If Joe cuts down a tree with a chainsaw, do we blame the chainsaw or Joe?
We all blame Joe.
So if Hannah shoots the salesperson at the shopping mall with her Baretta M9, do we blame Hannah, or the gun?
Hannah!

So what's America's real problem, our equipment, or our people?
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
master, whatever...You want the government to outlaw guns and take them in an orderly fashion. You have to be either the most na"ve person, or the dumbest.You mean confiscate all the guns like hitler did in Germany?Or stalin, or mao.Mexico has far more violence than we do. And you cannot own a gun there legally.And if the people in some of those Afracan nations were armed, you would not have the one tribe attacking another and killing with machetes.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
saska. You should keep your opinion up there with your cold weather.America is 4th in the world with gun violence. If you take all the gun free zones out, we are 29th. That includes all the major cities.And lo and behold, all of them are democrat strongholds.Out here in the real America, we are just as safe as you are. I have never walked out my door afraid someone would shoot me. That is over 60 years.You are right about one thing. The fundamentalist liberal is the most dangerous creature on the earth. And they have taken over the democrats.And lets face it. You up there sit under the very protection of our military as we do.

We were the wealthiest people on earth . And that made for coveteousness not found any where else.That is why we are armed. To protect ourselves from enemies, both foreign and domestic.And the domestic is our government. Who are in power for one reason only, more power.The second amendment is the only thing that has kept them in check so far.But their strategy is to bring us down financially.

Most of the shootings by kids have been because of godlessness, and mind altering drugs.There was a kid not far from here that attacked kids in school with a knife. The first one he took out was the security guard. My first thought was, " why didn't he shoot him"?Aw yes, another gun free zone.That guy was just a glorified hall monitor.
Posted by Saska 2 years ago
Saska
@cheyennebodie That is just an absurd comment through and through. So we should just let every child carry a gun everywhere? Get a grip on reality. USA is one of the worst countries in the world for gun violence. Is that because of gun free zones? No. I live in Canada and we have many, many gun free zones. That doesn't promote people shooting unarmed people... The problem is that in America there is a culture of fear. The media and the government both work to scare people into thinking everyone is out to kill you all, and then too many are convinced that they need a gun to protect themselves. You know what is just as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than a crazy fundamentalist with a gun? A scared person with a gun. Scared people jump to the conclusion that they are in danger and must shoot to survive far too quickly. Guns are not the answer, fixing the ridiculous media (right, left and centre) and fixing your politician (left and right... but honestly, mostly right because there are so many more moronic nut jobs in the Republican Party).
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
saska. The only reason democrats quit trying to ban guns is because every time they put that up for a vote, they would lose elections.Thye would rather stay in power than stand u[p for what they think ios right. Not that they think they are morally right. But as long as Americans are armed, they have to keep their agenda's low key.So, they do what liberals do. Chip away at out freedom to bear arms. Making it harder and harder to own a gun. They have even managed to have gun free zones. And all that does in invite the criminal to ply his trade.
Posted by TheMaster_de_Bator 2 years ago
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Posted by Saska 2 years ago
Saska
Are there many people out there trying to ban guns completely? I have seen plenty of "gun regulations" movements, trying to put more stringent regulations on what sort of guns people can own and on background checks for people purchasing guns. How big is the "ban guns" movement?
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