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Should homosexual marriage be alowed?

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Started: 5/27/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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TheLastEmperorOfDebate

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Its true that each person have their rights to marry whomever they choose,but how would their children feel about having 2 dads or 2 moms?,if say the couples would adopt children.Then there's a probability that their children will be homosexuals too, and that probability is pretty great, since their parents are homosexuals therefore creating an influence on their children, just like straight parents raise straight kids, creating an influence on the kids.
LakevilleNorthJT

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I will now respond to my opponents arguments.

"Its true that each person have their rights to marry whomever they choose,but how would their children feel about having 2 dads or 2 moms?"

My opponent concedes that each person has the right to marry whomever they please. This point right here should allow me to win the round. Insofar as the next point, I have two responses.

1. This is a psychological claim without a psychological warrant. There is no way my opponent can predict what these children are going to feel. They may feel proud that their parents fought for their rights.

2. Just because a homosexual couple gets married doesn't mean that they are automatically going to get married. Maybe they just want to live the rest of their lives in peace with each other.

"Then there's a probability that their children will be homosexuals too, and that probability is pretty great, since their parents are homosexuals therefore creating an influence on their children, just like straight parents raise straight kids, creating an influence on the kids."

I have multiple responses:

1. My opponent says influence will lead kids to become homesexual. He never says why this is a bad thign. I am heterosexual myself but feel that if these people will be happy with marriage within their gender, then they are without doubt privileged to marry. My opponent never says why children growing up as homosexual would be a good thing.

2. If straight parents raise straight kids, then how did gays come about?
There are no differences with a gay couples raising of a child and a straight couples raising of a child.

In this round, I have shown flaws in my opponents arguments and have successfully backed up y side of the resolution.

VOTE PRO.
Debate Round No. 1
TheLastEmperorOfDebate

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LakevilleNorthJT

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In this round, I have shown flaws in my opponents arguments and have successfully backed up my side of the resolution.

My opponent also conceded last round.

VOTE PRO.
Debate Round No. 2
TheLastEmperorOfDebate

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TheLastEmperorOfDebate forfeited this round.
LakevilleNorthJT

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In this round, I have shown flaws in my opponents arguments and have successfully backed up my side of the resolution.

My opponent also conceded last round.

VOTE PRO.

I'll repost my first rebuttal which was not responded too.

I will now respond to my opponents arguments.

"Its true that each person have their rights to marry whomever they choose,but how would their children feel about having 2 dads or 2 moms?"

My opponent concedes that each person has the right to marry whomever they please. This point right here should allow me to win the round. Insofar as the next point, I have two responses.

1. This is a psychological claim without a psychological warrant. There is no way my opponent can predict what these children are going to feel. They may feel proud that their parents fought for their rights.

2. Just because a homosexual couple gets married doesn't mean that they are automatically going to get married. Maybe they just want to live the rest of their lives in peace with each other.

"Then there's a probability that their children will be homosexuals too, and that probability is pretty great, since their parents are homosexuals therefore creating an influence on their children, just like straight parents raise straight kids, creating an influence on the kids."

I have multiple responses:

1. My opponent says influence will lead kids to become homesexual. He never says why this is a bad thign. I am heterosexual myself but feel that if these people will be happy with marriage within their gender, then they are without doubt privileged to marry. My opponent never says why children growing up as homosexual would be a good thing.

2. If straight parents raise straight kids, then how did gays come about?
There are no differences with a gay couples raising of a child and a straight couples raising of a child.

In this round, I have shown flaws in my opponents arguments and have successfully backed up y side of the resolution.

VOTE PRO.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by DrAlexander 8 years ago
DrAlexander
My computer turned off in the middle of me typing...

(con't)

You tried to correct me, but I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I said that homo sex cannot procreate. In vitro demands intervention from male sperm, just as how the surrogate alternative with gay males necessitates intervention from a female egg and womb. Therefore, two individuals of the same sex cannot procreate WITHOUT the assistance of the opposite sex. So far in my research, I haven't found homo procreation possible. I stand to be corrected.

I hope that all minority vs majority struggle will end. Unfortunately, all we can do is give them rights, we cannot change ignorant minds. I hope your plan succeeds.

-Alexander
Posted by DrAlexander 8 years ago
DrAlexander
What I gave was an explanation of my opinion, not a rant JonJon.

We are in slight disagreement. Yes I agree with you about how people should be open with their sexuality, but at the same time, I don't want straight people to force themselves to be gay in order to "fit in" with the environment they were raised around.
Posted by JonJon 8 years ago
JonJon
doc. rant???? believe me... that was not a rant.

We are not in disagreement. And yes, children raised by homosexual parents are more inclined to be open about sex and some experimentation. But, personally, I think it is a good thing... they end up knowing who and what they are and are not going to be faced with a mid-life, coming out crisis that can literally destroys families, like many men in my generation. But in the few studies I have seen, there has not been more homosexuals coming from homosexual parents than their heterosexual counterparts. Yes, the majority of the world is straight... always will be. I never suggested otherwise.

But I will correct you one one thing. With modern science, hetero sex is not the only way to procreate. Many lesbians have invitro.... as well as many gay men going the illegal rent-a-womb route.

On a positive note, I have hope for the younger generation when it comes to gay rights. I think in 50-70 years, it'll just be a anomaly in history that noone quite understands... along with gay pride, gay choirs, gay bars, etc.... all will hopefully one day become unnecessary. But that is just my hopeful thinking.

cheers!
Posted by DrAlexander 8 years ago
DrAlexander
My logic isn't flawed, you simply misunderstood. I'll admit the wording was off, I was in a bit of a rush.

Here goes a more precise explanation:

You asked,

"why are almost all gays the offspring of heterosexuals?"

ALL gays are the offspring of heterosex. Because homosex doesn't produce offspring.
:D

But on a more serious note, of course most gays are going to come from heterosexuals, this is because most couples are straight. You have to look at them in a comparison. Most couples are straight so majority of gays are going to come from the majority type relationship.

You commented,

"A lesbian friend and her partner raised 6 children together.... all of them turned out straight"

That is perfectly fine. My grandmother raised 6 children and they all came out straight, do you know why? Because MAJORITY of the population is straight. So if majority of the population is straight, there is an extremely high chance you'll come out straight as well, it doesn't matter who raises you. Just, if your raised by homosexuals your more likely to "test the waters" and be proud of what you may, or may not be.

Put it this way, most teens that are raised by heterosexuals tend to date people from the opposite sex, because they think that is normal. They are ashamed of any feelings they may have towards people of the same sex. So why is the opposite so outlandish? Homo-raised teens will seek anyone, whether they are the same sex or different, because they think that being gay is okay.

I am not an anti-gay person. I am just saying that whenever your raised by gays, your more than likely going to be more open with your sexuality.

Heterosexual kids feel as if they're forced to be straight.
Homosexual kids feel as if it's perfectly fine to be gay and they are proud of it.

And please stop with your whole anti-discriminatory rant. We've all heard it and all it does is make those bias idiots, even more bias.
Posted by JonJon 8 years ago
JonJon
ummmmmm doc... your logic is incredibly flawed. If straight parents raise straight kids, then why are almost all gays the offspring of heterosexuals? My parents were straight. My gay friends' parents are straight. I do not know a single parent of one of my friends that is gay. A lesbian friend and her partner raised 6 children together.... all of them turned out straight--even the one that is a professional ballet dancer (I was just at his wedding). Homosexuality is not taught or learned--however, anti-gay feelings ARE taught and learned. Intolerance is what is taught and what is one of the most ugly parts of humankind. Much of that is due to militant interpretations of religion. Religion is taught. None of us came out of the womb hating someone because of who they love, where they were born, what color skin they have, what kind of accent they have, how much hair they have, how big they are, etc. All of that is taught to us by the people who raised us and all of that can be relearned with some common sense and decency.
Posted by DrAlexander 8 years ago
DrAlexander
But I still voted pro of course...
Posted by DrAlexander 8 years ago
DrAlexander
Most hetero- raised kids become straight... Why is the opposite untrue?
Most kids that are raised by straight parents come out straight, because they follow the example of their parents and they think being straight is the 'norm'.
Kids raised by gays are introduced into the 'gay community' at a young age and feel as is being gay is the 'norm'.

Wordings a little off, but you understand...
Posted by Spiral 8 years ago
Spiral
*laughs* Gay influence? What, do they dress their children differently? Maybe they make toast in a gay fashion, drive a car like only gays do, perhaps they read to their children in a gay way. Arguments of influence are unfounded; by that, research consistently shows, gay parenting does not increase the chance of a raised child being gay. Think of it in reverse; how would gay children arise from straight parenting?
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