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Should people boycott Israel for inhumane acts against arabs? (BDS)

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kimjungrules

Con

Israel as a country has done nothing wrong against the palestinians. The argument for BDS is generally that the Israeli army is inhumanely bombing civilian areas in the West Bank and Gaza. This is false, these areas are terrorist controlled and are generally using civilians as a human shield. The Israeli army will knock on doors to tell civilians to get out of the way before a bombing.

BDS does not pay attention to facts or evidence, nor does the movement understand exactly how much of the technology they use is built in Israel.
Ariesx

Pro

"Israel as a country has done nothing wrong against the palestinians."
I will challenge this false statement with providing arguments on how the Israeli Government has committed many atrocities against the Palestinians. Note(I do not hold any grudge against the Israeli people, but I think every individual especially if he or she is an American has every right to hold a grudge against the Israeli government.)
The resolution states "Should people boycott Israel for inhumane acts against arabs? (BDS)". This must mean that there has to be an ideal hypothetical where everyone around the world finally wakes up, and boycotts Israel. I will lest 3 effects that will happen if this is the case.
1. Israel will go through a instant government change.
2. Palestinians will be able to self-govern themselves.
3. We will save the Israeli democracy
First lets get down to what kind of atrocities committed against the Palestinians.

Northern West Bank- 20 Palestinians attested during Israeli army forces raids on Palestinian homes. Since September 13, 2015, 30 people have been killed by the Israeli Army.
"The organisations said "the Israeli army has committed gross and systematic violations of the rules of global humanitarian law in Rafah which amount to war crimes and crimes against humanity, through the organised targeting of Palestinian civilians, infrastructure and property and the killing of 255 Palestinians, including 212 civilians". http://investmentunderground.com...
Torture- America has spoken against torture many times in the past. America gives between 3 to 5 billion dollars to a country that tortures as it pleases. http://www.presstv.com...

Palestinian-inmate- This shocking video gives an insight on how deadly and ruthless the Israeli government is. The video shows an Israeli solider giving electric shots to a young Palestinian blindfolded. This shows that the government disrespects the international legal rules governing detention. 7,000 Palestinians are reportedly incarcerated in 17 Israeli prisons. There is a probability that each of these inmates will be exposed to illegal torture.

Israel's military offensive against Gaza- Israel launched Operation Protective Edge in 2014.
1400 Palestinians were murdered during Operation Protective Edge. 80% of those were civilians. About 300 children were also killed.
"According to numerous news accounts, the International Red Cross, and human rights organizations, such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, during Israel"s attack on Gaza in 2014, the IDF once again bombed hospitals at least 24 medical facilities, 203 mosques (73 of which were completely destroyed), 2 churches, rendered uninhabitable over 20,000 civilian homes, fired on ambulances, civilian infrastructure and UN shelters."
Operation Cast Lead-100 Palestinians were killed for every 1 Israeli.

Government defies international law:
"Israel repeatedly violates the Geneva Conventions by:
"Targeting, killing, and collectively punishing non-combatant men, women and children
"Moving its own population into an occupied zone
"Imposing unnecessary curfews and closures
"Exercising disproportionate use of force
Israel defies international law and hundreds of U.N. resolutions by:
"Refusing to end over 40 years of military occupation
"Expanding and adding Israeli settlements
"Building the Apartheid Wall to take over Palestinian land and water resources
"Denying the right of return for millions of Palestinian refugees"
http://www.seamac.org...

Apartheid-
Demographics of Israel
6,336,000 Jews live in Israel.
1,754,000 are Muslim.
Name one time a Muslim was ever elected prime minister of Israel. Name one time the Palestinians ever got there choice of who the candidate should be for president. Con cannot provide this evidence. Look how easy it is for the Jews to overpower the Muslims in an election. It might not mean anything to a Jew, but it means a lot to the Palestinian people. If the Palestinian peoples' voice is not heard, than they are not living in a proper democracy. This causes an apartheid.
https://en.wikipedia.org...
What is ideal is that if a great majority of nations decide to boycott Israel is that Israel will have to change there policies, and craft a two-state solution. The two-state solution will insure stability in that region, and stop thousands of people being murdered.
Therefore, I offer again the three effects of the boycott.
1. Israel will go through a instant government change.
2. Palestinians will be able to self-govern themselves.
3. We will save the Israeli democracy
Debate Round No. 1
kimjungrules

Con

You're examples of atrocities do not take into account all information. I will rebut all examples:

1) Misquote. You said "since September 13, 30 people have been killed by the Israeli army." The actual quote: "
Since September 13, 2015, 30 people have been killed in terror attacks." The video you linked to is real, however you did not mention that the Israeli soldier was sent to prison for the act. http://www.timesofisrael.com...

2)No citations were given for some of the facts. The correct number of incarcerated Palestinians is 6,066. Ther is no evidence to show that these prisoners will likely be exposed to illegal torture. http://m.btselem.org...

3)Something that most people who take your side on this do not understand that Hamas is both in control of Gaza and a terrorist organization. Hamas, while not forcing civilians to stay in the line of fire, does store rockets in civilian buildings. The Israeli army does everything in its power to alert civilians of an upcoming attack.

As for the list of Geneva convention infractions:
Israel does not target civilians, they target Hamas controlled weaponry, which is sotred in civilians buildings. Israeli does everything in its power to worn civilians.
The West Bank is still Israel, it just has a terrorist organization living there. Israel is moving civilian poulations out heowver.
They are not unnecessary. These are violent areas.
They use force on people that attack them. Not civilians.
They do not occupy the West Bank and Gaza, it is theirs. It is still Israel.
They have not been expanding as much lately and this is not illegal. Where they expand may be however Israel bought the land they reside on or they won it in a war.
The "apartheid" wall was built to stop terrorists from running into Israeli settlements and blowing them up. After the wall was built, the suicide bombings stopped. The wall did what it was supposed to do. Also Israel is not an apartheid state. You can have an Israeli and Palestinian on the same side of the sreet.
Israel has not denied the right to return to anyone. You are probably thinking of the refugees that have not yet gotten land back. These are the great grandchildren of the original refugees and are likely well enough off that they do not need any land in Israel.

No Muslims have gotten the seat of prime minister becuase Israel is 65 years old. That is not a lot of time to expect a Muslim to be elected. The Palestinian voice is heard. There are multiple Palestinian parties and any Palestinians that are citizens have every right to vote for these parties. An apartheid is only when it is illegal for the races or nationalities to mix in any way, hence the Afrikans word for apart. Therefore Israel is not an apartheid state, becuase a Palestinian can go into the same buildings as any israeli. The two state solution, is likely the best option, however Israel has not done anything wrong to the Palestinian people. Only the Palestinians themselves.
Ariesx

Pro

I want to address something that has been happening in the comment section which are reasonable complaints to some extent about this debate. Many people have been challenging by side by saying that every major power around the world has mistreated people. Well, that is unfair. I will provide reasons why.
1. The Resolution states "Should people boycott Israel for inhumane acts against arabs? (BDS)".
People-the men, women, and children of a particular nation, community, or ethnic group: Oxford Dictionaries
This resolution already forces Pro to realize the effects of a hypothetical where all humans in one nation or more decide to boycott Israel.
2. Commenters have also said than why can't we just boycott America, because of there mistreatment of other people. First of all, America has already tried to resolve its racial tensions with other races. It is remarkable what happened in our country. Also, we are the number one superpower which means that a lot of countries depend on us for our support including Israel. America is the leader of the western world right now, and if we fall than China and Russia will partake in a power vacuum. It is really unfair to compare America to Israel. Besides, if you are an American you should be angry that your tax money is going to a government that mistreats people. You should also be angry at your government if they also commits these crimes. Either way, this resolution already begs the hypothetical. I will continue this debate in the comment section if anyone would like to challenge me on this premise. By the way, there are more benefits to Israel giving Palestinians independence. I will cover that in the debate.
3. The Confederate States of America- I will not equate the Confederacy's atrocities to Israel's atrocities. But, I will say that I could use all the arguments that the commenters used, and say well we cannot fight the Confederacy, because look what we did. Great Britain should not pressure the USA into ending Jim Crow, because look what we did. These are arguments that can backfire on many historic examples such as the confederacy. If the Union did not do anything; Slavery could still be a thing.

I will defend and rebut all of these examples:
1. First Con says I misquoted "30 people killed by the Israeli Army". Read the full quote before you argue
Since September 13, 2015, 30 people have been killed in terror attacks including a Palestinian, an American and an Eritrean.
It clearly states with the source I mentioned was the Israeli army. It is laughable that you cite the Israeli Times, because clearly a site like that would have bias. http://investmentunderground.com...

2. "The correct number of incarcerated Palestinians is 6,066"
No, it is actually over 7,000. Here are the sources which I did provide, but you just simply ignored them.
http://www.tasnimnews.com...
http://www.presstv.com...
https://answers.yahoo.com...
Either way, what ever number you throw. That is a significant amount of people that are detained. That means that over 5,000 people do not want to be apart of the Israeli government.

3. "Something that most people who take your side on this do not understand that Hamas is both in control of Gaza and a terrorist organization"
"Israelis, both left and right, are wrong to assume that Hamas is a dictatorship fighting Israel against its people"s will. Hamas is indeed a dictatorship, and there are many Palestinians who would gladly see it fall, but not at this moment in time. Right now I have no doubt that most Palestinians support the attacks on IDF soldiers entering Gaza; they support kidnapping as means to release their prisoners (whom they see as prisoners of war) and the unpleasant fact is that most of them, I believe, support firing rockets at Israel." http://972mag.com...
In this article here, it explains how Palestinians view Hamas as an organization fighting for its independence. This is what happens in almost every revolution that tries to take place. The people that protected the Jews in Nazi Germany were called terrorists. Our founding fathers were regarded as traitors. Even if Hamas is a terrorist organization, that is not how Palestinians see it.

Look at the statistics.
63% of Israelis support a two state solution.
53% of Palestinians support a Palestinian state.
44% of Israelis said they supported a withdrawal from the entire West Bank.
http://www.timesofisrael.com...
This is even by the site that you sourced earlier in your arguments.

Geneva Conventions Defense:
The West Bank is still Israel even though more than half of the Palestinians do not want it to be Israeli territory. Palestinians see it as there territory.
53% are in favor of a two-state solution. My opponent is willing to deny them this right.
My opponent also cites no source for his attacks on my arguments. He does not cite any sources on solders saving civilian populations while I have provided many sources of the Israeli army causing numerous casualties.

Apartheid Defense-
68% of Israelis believe that the Arab population was subject to racism.http://www.jpost.com...
"As a Palestinian citizen of Israel, 21-year-old Shadan Jabareen says she has experienced institutionalized discrimination since she was a child. In 1994, her parents wanted to get away from the constant noise and the overcrowded Umm al-Fahm and move to a Jewish-Israeli community."http://www.aljazeera.com...
Her parents had to battle back against legal pressure just to buy a house.
The admissions committee never wanted them there.
The Supreme Court ruled it illegal to discriminate in housing admission based on ethnicity or religion.
This was overturned September 17, 2011.
"If admissions committees view applicants as "harmful" to the "social-cultural fabric of the community town", they are permitted to turn them down."
"Basically, if you are harmful to the traditions in a community town, than the committee will force you out.
More recently, she recalls that in July, she was denied a summer job at Israel's Ben Gurion International Airport. "The lady who interviewed me asked if I'm a Muslim or a Christian," she explained. "She told me it's going to take a long time for a security check because I'm a Muslim.""
Statistics:
63% of Israelis support a two state solution.
53% of Palestinians support a Palestinian state.
44% of Israelis said they supported a withdrawal from the entire West Bank.
6,336,000 Jews live in Israel.
1,754,000 are Muslim.
Do you really think there is going to be equal representation with demographics like these. First of all 53% of those Muslims want another state which they will never get democratically. I have provided an abundant amount of examples of racial discrimination in Israel. Con has provided none. He tries to dispute these claims by saying soldiers yell for civilians to get out any time there is a drone, but he puts fourth no evidence of this happening. Also, Israel has driven Palestinians to the point where when they support a terrorist organization, because they can't gain there say democratically.

Dropped Arguments:
Operation Protective Edge- 1400 Palestinians were murdered during Operation Protective Edge. 80% of those were civilians. About 300 children were killed. You did not answer this argument in favor of the Israeli government terrorizing innocent people. You have not responded to this.
According to the Red Cross, 24 medical facilities, 203 mosques(73 of which are completely destroyed), 2 churches, 20,000 civilian homes,and civilian infrastructure and UN Shelters have all been destroyed. You have not responded to this.
Operation Cast Lead-100 Palestinians were killed for every 1 Israeli. You have also not responded to this.

Effects:
The resolution states people. I have already provided examples on how immoral the Israeli government is. People means basically all humans in a particular nation or group.
Should-used to indicate what is probable: Oxford Dictionaries.
This means that everybody in a hypothetical situation decided to boycott Israel. This links directly to the resolution.
The Effects would be
1. 100 Palestinians are not killed for every 1 Israeli.
2. 53% of Palestinians will finally get there voice heard democratically
3. We will stop an apartheid.
4. Discrimination will be stopped in Israel.
5. People will stop having a negative view of Israel. http://www.jpost.com... 50% of people view Israel negatively around the world.
6. It will please Arab nations, and make them more friendly to the west, because all of Arab nations want Palestinian land to be freed.
7. Palestinians won't ever have to support a terrorist group like Hamas ever again just so they can gain there independence.
Debate Round No. 2
kimjungrules

Con

Just want to start out by saying that Israel does not depend on US aid. Israel is incredibly independent and it is amazing that Israel was able to get into this position because of its foes. The US has only provided funds for military operations in Israel including the all-important Iron Dome, which protects innocent Israelis from foreign air attacks.

Now for the real stuff;

1. It does not say, nor does the source clearly imply that "terrorist" is equal to "Israeli Defence Force (IDF)" In fact, I have never heard of a reliable source calling the military of a first world sovereign nation "terrorists." It is also in fact, highly likely, that this article meant Hamas members, as they do commit terrorist attacks. http://www.mfa.gov.il...

2. (you provided one of those sources and not in that context) That is not an amazingly high incarceration rate for an area that is constantly being bombarded by attacks from this area. 5,000 people is very little compared to the 6 million Israeli Citizens.

3. The source you cite is an opinion article, not fact. While many palestinians may want to see Israel fall, that does not justify their actions. Hamas is a terrorist organization because they attack civilian areas, not military. Plenty of palestinians that live outside of the west bank and Gaza, in areas that are controlled by the Israeli government and are subject to laws from the Knesset, are perfectly happy where they are. Israel is an incredibly small country. This makes it much easier for a terrorist organization with explosive rockets to attack innocent people. Attached is a map showing how long people have from hearing an alarm, to an explosion. http://2.bp.blogspot.com... I too support a two state solution. While the debates about the creation of Israel were happening, multiple maps were drawn offering a two state solution. Every Time, the palestinians rejected. Most solutions were accepted, however reluctantly, by the zionist movement. The palestinian authorities have always rejected offerings.

3. Palestinians can see it however they want. But if you google a map of Israel, You'll see the west bank and the Gaza strip within the territory. That's how the borders were drawn. Israel's land was either bought or conquered in war (which the Israelis did not start.) You have cited sources that get information from Hamas, which may not be the best source of information. http://www.timesofisrael.com... Not only does this source refute most arguments you have made against the IDF in terms of attacks and raids, it also backs up claims I had not sourced earlier (I can't source information I got from a speaker). This source also refutes sources that you have presented that claim that the IDF has recklessly caused numerous palestinian deaths. I would also like to point out that this source, while Israeli, uses facts and evidence, that was retrieved by the UN, specifically the High Level Military Group. I am not willing to deny the rights of these palestinians, I am only denying that their rights are being contradicted by the Israeli government.

4. Racism DOES NOT EQUAL APARTHEID http://www.merriam-webster.com... (This does not even begin to cover that apartheid only applies to the south african laws but I understand the point you were making)
I do not agree with that decision, for that reason, however the Israeli government does have to take into account the orthodox jewish populations, and that many communities are קיבוצים(Kibbutzim) or essentially communist communities. These areas involve heavily assimilating newcomers into the social structure, and would be very hard for someone of a different religion to enter. Children were often separated from parents to live with other children in the community, and community prayers were held often. As for the discrimination at Ben Gurion International Airport, nothing new, although definitely not good. However this is not discrimination against palestinians, this is racial, and religious profiling. As for the last claim you made, it's sorta like saying "how can nazis be properly heard if they're such a minority?" I provided the source in this round, section 3.

5. Operation Protective Edge; earlier I cited a source that cited a UN report on civilian casualties that said the numbers were likely inaccurate. I did respond to it, I just responded to multiple at the same time with the same argument.
Red cross report; I did respond to that, along with others. Again, Hamas does keep weapons in civilian buildings. http://www.abc.net.au...
Operation Cast Lead; offensive operation, the numbers are not exactly surprising and it does not take into account whether these were actual civilians or hamas "civilians"

Final point, anything we do against Israel will have no effect on the arab view of the west. For all they care, we don't believe in the same magic book so we should die. I would also like to thank my opponent for taking the debate and having as strong feelings about it as I do.
Ariesx

Pro

You did not deny that Israel receives 3 billion dollars in American aid.https://www.bing.com... receives 100 billion in aid.

1. Your source has bias, and I was not claiming that the Israeli Defense Force were terrorists. Hamas also does commit terrorist attacks, but you cannot deny that Palestinians support Hamas, and not Israel.

2. 5,000 Palestinians are willing to commit terrorist attacks just to separate from Israel. You cannot dispute this. Also, why would you compare 5,000 to Israeli citizens. 53% of Palestinians want to separate.

3. You argue that a bias source refutes all my claims. The source also states that that there are retired generals and "experts" that conducted this report. This is also cited y timesofisrael which seems to cite a lot of studies that contradict one another. They do not explain how there reasons for the negation of the UN study is valid, and is most likely has bias. I have stated multiple sources that have said that the Israeli army has murdered innocent Palestians.

4. Racism is a factor of an apartheid which I do not think you got. If you read the article, you would notice that there was multiple acts of discrimination to that family. The government was creating laws which made it harder for Palestinians to buy houses. If there is already discrimination against a minority, than there rights are not bound to be heard. This is common sense.

5. You also claim that Hamas was using citizens which again do not mean anything to negate my points. The idea that Israelis do not get is that there is a problem with Palestinians being driven to the point to supporting Hamas. There is a problem with the Germans supporting the Nazis. Usually, extremist organizations rise when people are angry at an institution they view is holding them back. Palestinians are angry, and polls prove this.

Final Point:
I go back to my original benefits that my opponent has not disputed. Let the Palestinians have there own state. Israel obviously has not been successful in dealing with the Palestinian community. If Israel keeps suppressing Palestine, than the world will have an increasingly negative view on Israel.
Debate Round No. 3
kimjungrules

Con

1. I do not deny that Israel receives 3 billion dollars in american aid. Second sentence makes no sense. Also 3 billion dollars is very very little.

2. My source may have bias, it is called the israeli times. However I was citing an article which discusses an unbiased report. You were claiming that the IDF were terrorists because that was the quote from the article you sourced: " Read the full quote before you argue
Since September 13, 2015, 30 people have been killed in terror attacks including a Palestinian, an American and an Eritrean." -Pro. I would like to draw the attention of the voters to the word terror attacks, which can only come from a terrorist or terrorist organization. "It clearly states with the source I mentioned was the Israeli army." -Pro. That concludes that you were implying, or your sources were implying, that the IDF is a terrorist organization. However your sources were not implying that.

3.5,000 is also a relatively small number and when you tell a population for their entire lives that a sky monster will torture them for a millennia if they don't follow every word, then they will do pretty much anything. 53% of palestinians may want to separate, however they clearly aren't motivated enough to do so as they have yet to accept any peace or two state solution.

4. I argue that a maybe biased source cites a non-biased report that refutes all of your claims. I did not find any contradictions in the article so a quote might help. The explanation they give as to why the U.N. report is invalid is that they claim that it was done by the wrong people. Keep in mind that this report was done by retired high level military officials, from numerous countries, which don't include Israel. Here is a video explaining much of this from the standpoint of another high level military officer: https://www.youtube.com... I would also like to point out that those sources get their information from either the PA (Palestinian Authority) or Hamas, which as you can imagine would prefer that news agencies report about their suffering, not the suffering they have inflicted on innocent Israelis.

5. Yes racism is a factor in apartheid, however just because there's racism, does not mean there is apartheid. Discrimination also does not mean apartheid. The government was not regulating discrimination against palestinians in communities (I discussed possible reasoning for this in round 2). Again I would like to point out that apartheid is when a palestinian and an Israeli aren't allowed on the same side of the street. That's apartheid.

6. The use of citizens as human shields does negate your points. It proves that Hamas is a horrendous organization with no respect for anyone, including palestinians. It also proves that Israel is not capable of avoiding killing innocent civilians. The video I sourced above goes into more detail on this.

7. I have said numerous times that I am in support of a two state solution. It is palestine itself that has rejected EVERY SINGLE offer ever put on the table.
Ariesx

Pro

2. "My source may have bias, it is called the israeli times. However I was citing an article which discusses an unbiased report."
Con claims that the report cited by The Israeli Times has no bias, though you did not explain this. I would like for you to explain how this has no bias. Your source also listed that this report was conducted by retired military generals and "independent military researchers." This is just too broad of things to say, and we do not know the level of bias these generals have. They probably do have bias, because there are many sources that say the exact opposite. The offensive that Israel has caused has casualties over 2,000 people. http://www.bbc.com...
This argument is about casualties, and the resolution specifically says inhumane acts against arabs(Palestinians). Inhumane acts-1.lacking human qualities of compassion and mercy; cruel and barbaric. Oxford Dictionaries. There is proof that Israel has caused over 5,000 casualties. Even in the source Pro cites, it states that casualties will happen in war. Well, I can actually accept this. But, the main problem with this is that the circumstance is extremely different. The circumstance involves 53% of people wanting to separate from Israel, and the majority supporting a terrorist group as there last resort. This is the circumstance that Con has to defend.

3. "5,000 is also a relatively small number and when you tell a population for their entire lives that a sky monster will torture them for a millennia if they don't follow every word, then they will do pretty much anything." There are two problems I have with this statements. First of all, there is no evidence concerning the idea that 53% of Palestinians think that Allah wants them to break away from the state. Second, even if that is true; you are not going to be able to change the mindset of the Palestinians. Saying that a whole population believes in a hallucination is one thing, but you are not going to convince them to stop believing in this hallucination especially if it is a Jew or Christian. This just supports the idea that Palestinians and Israelis also have different cultures. They both are followers of two different faiths, and have different cultures. I will go into this argument later.

4. "I argue that a maybe biased source cites a non-biased report that refutes all of your claims." This was also done to refute the UN. The UN actually had accurate sources. Your source had bias in it, because several sources that I listed in previous rounds would have to be lying.

5. Apartheid-
(in South Africa) a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.
"segregation on grounds other than race:
Oxford Dictionaries
If I was unclear, this was the definition that I provided. And, Con has done nothing to refute the claim that there is racism, and this has caused laws that make life unfair to Palestinians.
68% of Israelis believe that the Arab population was subject to racism.http://www.jpost.com......
"As a Palestinian citizen of Israel, 21-year-old Shadan Jabareen says she has experienced institutionalized discrimination since she was a child. In 1994, her parents wanted to get away from the constant noise and the overcrowded Umm al-Fahm and move to a Jewish-Israeli community."http://www.aljazeera.com......
Her parents had to battle back against legal pressure just to buy a house.
The admissions committee never wanted them there.
The Supreme Court ruled it illegal to discriminate in housing admission based on ethnicity or religion.
This was overturned September 17, 2011.
"If admissions committees view applicants as "harmful" to the "social-cultural fabric of the community town", they are permitted to turn them down."
"Basically, if you are harmful to the traditions in a community town, than the committee will force you out.
More recently, she recalls that in July, she was denied a summer job at Israel's Ben Gurion International Airport. "The lady who interviewed me asked if I'm a Muslim or a Christian," she explained. "She told me it's going to take a long time for a security check because I'm a Muslim.""
This is just one example that effects little more than 1.5 million Palestinians. My opponent has to take under consideration that there were laws and communities discriminating against the Palestinians. This not only is racist, but immoral. I hope my opponent feels the same way about racism.
6,336,000 Jews live in Israel
1,754,000 are Muslim.

6. "The use of citizens as human shields does negate your points." No, it does not, because you still have yet to dispute the fact that Palestinians support Hamas, and want to separate. You have not given any evidence to counter this fact.

7. "I have said numerous times that I am in support of a two state solution. It is palestine itself that has rejected EVERY SINGLE offer ever put on the table." This claim is very unfair, because this shows how the Israeli Government thinks. The Israeli Government can claim that the Palestinians have rejected every deal, but Israel has not?
"During the early 1980s, Israel"s excuse was the Palestinian Liberation Organization"s refusal to recognize Israel. In 1988, we recognized Israel on 78% of historical Palestine, a deeply difficult and historic concession. Twenty-six years later, the number of Israeli settlers within the remaining 22% has tripled. Next, Israel"s excuse was lack of Arab recognition. In 2002, the Arab League introduced the Arab Peace Initiative, offering recognition from 57 Arab- and Muslim-majority countries in exchange for Israel"s respect for UN resolutions. Israel"s response? More settlements. Most recently, the Israeli government came up with a further qualification"that we should recognize Israel as a Jewish state, safe in the knowledge that this could not be accepted. Rather than being afraid of not being recognized, it seems Israel is afraid of recognition.
Today, Netanyahu and those representing him, including Lapid, Ya"alon, Lieberman, Bennett and Ariel, are creating a new excuse to avoid the necessary decisions for peace. This Israeli government, which continues its settlement activities all over Palestine, is trying to blame national reconciliation for its own failure to choose."
Israel rejected peace deals that they thought were not favorable to them. If my opponent wants to win the point, he would have to prove that Palestine actually had a fair proposal, and they denied it, of reasons Con would have to explain.
Debate Round No. 4
kimjungrules

Con

In opening of my final statement to the voters I would like to clarify my position as Con for "Should people boycott Israel for inhumane acts against arabs". My position is that Israel as a country has not committed war crimes or incredibly discriminatory acts acts against arabs. Pro has stated numerous times that Israel has committed war crimes as a policy on numerous occasions. I deny that claim and rebut it with the assertion that Israel has acted always to keep the most civilians alive. Israel has aborted operations that could save Israeli lives because they could cause too much harm to palestinians. Israel also does more than any other country has ever done to warn civilians of attacks. Israel drops millions of leaflets, drops empty shells, sends out mass texts, and even calls palestinians to warn them to leave the area. The 2014 Gaza war was purely defensive and everything possible was done to preserve the lives of innocent palestinians. As Colonel Richard Kemp of the British army said, "If ever there was a truly defensive war, this was it."

However, the Hamas terrorist organization consistently commits war crimes. Hamas will force civilians to remain in areas that they know will be targeted, lies about casualties in attacks, and launches rockets at civilian areas, even those that pose little threat. In the 20014 Gaza war, Israel warned Hamas to cease fire against Israeli communities numerous times. When Hamas did not stop they launched targeted airstrikes against Hamas rocket launchers. Hamas kept many rocket launchers next to people's houses, and then forced people to remain in those areas. Hamas is a terrorist organization, that only seeks power and is willing to die for Sky Monster. We must not lose site of this

Another point is that we must keep in mind what Israel is. Israel is a country, formatted on western principles, built on democracy. Israel is smaller than New Jersey and is surrounded by enemies, who will see it die in a second. Its economy includes businesses responsible for the latest technology, rivaled only by Silicon Valley. Something commonly overlooked by those wishing to boycott Israel (although not meant to be one of the topics in this debate) is the tech being built in Israel. Israeli companies made the first USB storage devices. Israeli companies build some of the most powerful processors on the planet (Intel). Israeli startups are finding some of the coolest things we can imagine. And if we boycott this, It involves boycotting almost any computer device. Another thing to keep in mind is that the Israeli Army is a civilian army. Every Israeli citizen is required to do service in the military, making many more trained civilians, who will know what to do in an emergency. These citizens would definitely rather be home with their families. Yet they are called on to protect innocent civilians.
https://www.youtube.com...
http://www.high-level-military-group.org... (My opponent has raised concerns about the article that I cited earlier being biased. I have chosen to cite the actual report this time. Check round 3 for the article.)

Now for my final rebuttal

1.The report I cited has no bias because all of its members are high level retired military officers from various countries, none of which include Israel. Many casualties reported may be repeated names, people who were actually fighting or, unreal people. 53% of a small group want to separate from Israel. It is their authority that consistently declines offers. Yet they will still target innocent civilians. They either support Hamas because they were forced to by poverty or threat, or they do not support Hamas at all.

2. A two state solution is likely the best solution.

3. The source I cited argues that the UN reports were done by under qualified people with likely fudged numbers.

4. Again racism does not equal apartheid. In apartheid, the two races literally have to be apart. The supreme court of Israel likely made this ruling in order to protect the small communist Jewish communities. Having someone try to follow different rules than you can be damaging to the fragile society. Personally I'm not a big fan of the Kibbutz model either. Racial profiling may be racist, but it works. I do think they are being excessive though.

5. I will not counter the fact, I do not deny it. However I was trying to assert that Hamas has committed war crimes.

6.Israel has denied solutions. I am only know a lot about one but I do know that anything they have rejected was unfair, usually by amount of land but also by location of land.

I thank the voters for considering me for their vote. I ask that they overlook personal biases and use only our sources and our arguments in their decision. Thank You.
Ariesx

Pro

Before starting my final statement, I would like to thank Con for a great debate. This debate however is about human rights. I have stated studies that have proven that Israel has committed atrocities against the Palestinian people. I do not hold any prejudice against the Israeli people, but its government. I would like to gather all of the studies that prove that the Israeli Government has:
1. Committed acts of terror against the Palestinian people.
2. Oppresses the Palestinian people which lead to an apartheid where Palestinians have no say in the government.
3. Created an environment where Palestinians support Hamas.
4. Has blocked peace deals that could have ended this conflict.

Con has rebutted this by saying that the researchers had bias. This is confirmed by the UN, and Con has done nothing to prove that the professionals that work with the UN have bias against Israel.
Northern West Bank- 20 Palestinians attested during Israeli army forces raids on Palestinian homes. Since September 13, 2015, 30 people have been killed by the Israeli Army.
"The organisations said "the Israeli army has committed gross and systematic violations of the rules of global humanitarian law in Rafah which amount to war crimes and crimes against humanity, through the organised targeting of Palestinian civilians, infrastructure and property and the killing of 255 Palestinians, including 212 civilians.
Sources are in previous round. Of those 212 civilians are children. Of those 212 civilians are brothers and sisters that have been killed by the Israeli army. Con already has stated that casualties happen in war. This would be a perfectly okay argument if the Israelis were not seen as conquerors. The perspective of the Palestinians has always been that the Gaza Strip is there land. Palestinians live there, and support Hamas now, because they believe that organization can protect them.

Torture- The Israeli government uses torture that violates UN Law, and the Geneva Convention. This particular example shows a young Palestinian getting electrical shots. http://217.218.67.231/Detail/2016/02/15/450412/Israeli-soldier-electrocution
You can watch the video to see what over 5,000 Palestinians face in these prisons.

Israel's military offensive against Gaza- Israel launched Operation Protective Edge in 2014.
1400 Palestinians were murdered during Operation Protective Edge. 80% of those were civilians. About 300 children were also killed.
"According to numerous news accounts, the International Red Cross, and human rights organizations, such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, during Israel"s attack on Gaza in 2014, the IDF once again bombed hospitals at least 24 medical facilities, 203 mosques (73 of which were completely destroyed), 2 churches, rendered uninhabitable over 20,000 civilian homes, fired on ambulances, civilian infrastructure and UN shelters."
Operation Cast Lead-100 Palestinians were killed for every 1 Israeli.
Sources in previous round.
Con has not disproved any of this, and has only cited a study with bias in it. The study Con also cites says nothing about the bombings of 24 medical facilities, 203 mosques, 2 churches, UN shelters, and 20,000 civilian homes. Palestinian lives have been destroyed in these bombings. This is not only a logical plea for a 2 state solution, but a humanitarian solution. Israel will have to do this again, if they want to keep control of The Gaza Strip. 53% of Palestinians want a two-state solution. In the future, there will be more terrorist groups like Hamas that will want to promote instability in the two regions. The consequence of this is that people die, and livelihoods are ruined.

Government defies international law:
"Israel repeatedly violates the Geneva Conventions by:
"Targeting, killing, and collectively punishing non-combatant men, women and children
"Moving its own population into an occupied zone
"Imposing unnecessary curfews and closures"
Source found in previous round.
The Israeli Government has to do this in order to keep control in the Gaza Strip. The government has decided that the only way to keep control is to promote fear in that region. This shown through the bombings of civilian homes, mosques, and torturing people. This should be unacceptable.

Apartheid-
Demographics of Israel
6,336,000 Jews live in Israel.
1,754,000 are Muslim.
Con has said that Apartheid does not mean racism. Con agrees that racism is a significant factor. There are already policies that support racism against Palestinians.
"There are more than 50 laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel. directly or indirectly, based solely on their ethnicity, rendering them second or third class citizens in their own homeland.
"93% of the land in Israel is owned either by the state or by quasi-governmental agencies, such as the Jewish National Fund, that discriminate against non-Jews. Palestinian citizens of Israel face significant legal obstacles in gaining access to this land for agriculture, residence, or commercial development.
"More than seventy Palestinian villages and communities in Israel, some of which pre-date the establishment of the state, are unrecognized by the government, receive no services, and are not even listed on official maps. Many other towns with a majority Palestinian population lack basic services and receive significantly less government funding than do majority-Jewish towns.
"Since Israel's founding in 1948, more than 600 Jewish municipalities have been established, while not a single new Arab town or community has been recognized by the state.

"In September 2011 a survey found that a third of Israeli Jews don"t consider Arab citizens to be real Israelis.
"According to a February 2011 survey, 52% of Israeli Jews would be willing to limit press freedoms to protect the state's image, while 55% would accept limits on the right to oppose the government's "defense policy."
"Also in September 2011, Dov Lior, the chief rabbi of settlements in Hebron and Kiryat Arba and head of the West Bank setter rabbis' council, told a conference that Arabs are "wolves," "savages," and "evil camel riders."
"A poll done by the Israel Democracy Institute and released in January 2011 found that nearly half of Israeli Jews don't want to live next door to an Arab.
http://imeu.org...
Discrimination should be unacceptable in the 21st century.

Declaring a two state solution will benefit both sides. Studies have already should that the two groups have a certain dislike of each other. This is unhealthy, and will only lead to more fatal circumstances for the Israeli government, and deadly consequences for the Palestinian people. I ask the voter like Con did to put aside certain biases that they have on this topic. This topic is very important, because it involves every value that the Western world values. There should be an outrage at the idea that there are policies that are purposefully used to discriminate against Palestinians.
Should people boycott Israel for inhumane acts against arabs?
In this hypothetical, a majority of people should boycott Israel. Con has failed to point out that there are more harms than benefits that would happen if this occurred.
Benefits:
-Discrimination will stop against the Palestinians.
-The Israeli Government does not have to bomb the Gaza Strip anymore, because terrorist groups will have no motivation for there cause.
-Torture will stop, and the Israeli Government will not have to defy international law.
-No more atrocities that I have listed above will be committed.
Harms:
Israel will lose land.

I think in this case the benefits do outweigh the harms. Vote Pro.
I would like to also thank Con for starting this debate. I believe that so many valuable points were brought up for people to consider. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Rami 1 year ago
Rami
There is a major problem. People are forgetting there are three parties here. Two are well known: the Israelis and the Palestinians. The third is the terrorist groups. Everyone supports the Palestinians. They are suffering terribly. What is disputed is who does it to them. As to the point that Israel targets civilians, then I would like know: Do you doubt that Hamas is firing missiles from there?
Posted by Ariesx 1 year ago
Ariesx
PTW,
The US Federal government gives 3.1 billion dollars to Israel every year, and they disobey international law. Americans have a right to say no.
Posted by PTW 1 year ago
PTW
Should the rest of the world boycott the USA for the way they treated the native Americans?, or Australia for their treatment of the Aborigines, England for their treatment of the Scots! etc! etc!. I'm afraid that we've just got to accept that humans are quite vile creatures, and if religion is involved, then even viler!!.
Posted by kimjungrules 1 year ago
kimjungrules
There seems to be some confusion here so let me clarify that this is not what the US is doing but rather what specifically the BDS movement is doing and whether or not they have any reason to boycott Israel.
Posted by Peepette 1 year ago
Peepette
The US will never boycott nor embargo Israel. In 2015 alone, the US gave 3.1B in foreign aid; the US is actually propping up their economy that doesn't need support. The priority of it being military strategic location overrides just about anything Israel does.
Posted by missmedic 1 year ago
missmedic
You want to influence change to end inhumane acts, start at home first.
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