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puffer
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RacH3ll3
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Should studens in the united states be forced to stand up and say the pledge of allegiance

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/5/2009 Category: Education
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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puffer

Con

I stand in firm negation on this topic for the simple fact that we are al American. One of the many great things that america was founded on was the wright to freedoms, so there for by makeing our young americans pledge we are takeing away that right.
RacH3ll3

Pro

The right of freedom was meant to be for slavery and such. Saying the pledge is a way of showing your patriotism. If you go to http://www.un.org... it explains what the fore fathers meant by freedom. They did not mean for you not to say the pledge. Getting someone to say the pledge is not taking away their right. It does not hurt you in any way to say the pledge.

I look forward to hearing from you again, puffer. Thanks
Debate Round No. 1
puffer

Con

It does not hurt me to stand up and say that i pleadge to Osma, but its not right ,this debate has notheing to do with if it will hurt them of corse it will not physicly hurt them. But we are all people and should be able to decide what we do and don't pleadge to.
I can not waite to here back from you either RACH3LL3
RacH3ll3

Pro

why would you not want to pledge to the united states? What are the reasons someone would not want to pledge to the united states? Because they are too lazy to stand up and say, I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the united states of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. It is a sign of respect, and you need to have respect, no matter what the situation. If President Obama walks in, and you don't like him, you wouldn't start booing him, because it is disrespectful. That is the same concept as the flag. America is the best county, because we have FREEDOM. shouldn't we owe it to America and just say the pledge? Here in Texas, we say the pledge of allegiance AND the Texas pledge every day at school, and no one whines about it. Its just something that you do.
Thank you
Debate Round No. 2
puffer

Con

It has nothing to do with being to lazy I have doubts about pledging my allegiance to the flag for the simple fact that the united states people these days have lost the meaning of what the flag stands for. In America the people is the government and the government continues to take away rights that people have the right to attain. Like gay marriage you might not agree to it but that does not give you the right to say that some one else cant be happy with who ever they want to be with. And no I would not boo Obama I would stand up and tell him than you for standing up and trying to fix America, I voted for Obama because I think that he can change America and get back on track and when that happens I will stand up and comfortably pledge my allegiance to my country. The pledge says one nation. Right now we are a divided nation as long as we keep taking away rights we will be a divided nation so as long as we are pledging to our flag as a divided nation we are disrespecting the men that lost there life's making our countries.
Thank you this was a great debate!
RacH3ll3

Pro

What exactly do you mean they are "taking away our rights"? The nation will always be divided, blacks vs. whites, men vs. women, gay vs. straight...etc. We will never be able to make EVERYONE happy or EVERYONE agree. There will always be a problem, and you cant fix everything. If we let kids stop saying the pledge, what else will we stop doing? Stop celebrating Independence day? We should keep the Pledge Of Allegiance in schools because if you take it out, you honestly think it will make America a no longer divided country?

Thank you, it was a good debate!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by sadolite 6 years ago
sadolite
You have two choices. You can pledge allegiance to the United States under god. Or you can bow to your ruler. Without god all you have is a ruling dictator. All your freedoms come from god. Not from jack as politicians in Washington. Their job is to take them away so they can rule over you in a godless venue. Get rid of God and you get rid of freedom. Why do you think people want to get rid of god and all mention of god. To make you think you need "them" to make proper decisions in their view of a godless society. Ruler and peasant. Much like the way most on this site think of people who belive in god and don't tow the politicly correct line.
Posted by Palin2012 6 years ago
Palin2012
If you don't want to respect this county, then get out!!!
Posted by Epicism 8 years ago
Epicism
The only thing I wish would change is "under God" many people would like to pledge their allegiance to the U.S. but pledging to religion is a bit to far. Therefore I skip that part when I say the pledge. Also, you shouldnt be forced too pledge anyways. Bunch of kids at my school just stay seated. This was a very interesting topic though! Well done.
Posted by lordjosh 8 years ago
lordjosh
Patrick Henery

Ask your question in English and I'll try to help.

Although, If I'm correct in what I think you're trying to ask me, mabye a debate would be more appropriate. Why don't you type up where you think our rights derive from. I will except the challenge.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
Wouldn't that just suck to show respect to a country that allows you to become anything you want to be. That allows you to be free. Man it just must suck so bad to say the pledge of allegiance to that country. If ones allegiance isn't to this country where is it. If it isn't to this country, how come one would stay here? One should go where their allegiance is. If one is allied to no one, why should one be given any respect, protection or help from anyone.
Posted by ournamestoolong 8 years ago
ournamestoolong
I will reply on # 5 with a poem
5 ways to kill a man

There are many cumbersome ways to kill a man.
You can make him carry a plank of wood
to the top of a hill and nail him to it.
To do this properly you require a crowd of people
wearing sandals, a cock that crows, a cloak
to dissect, a sponge, some vinegar and one
man to hammer the nails home.

Or you can take a length of steel,
shaped and chased in a traditional way,
and attempt to pierce the metal cage he wears.
But for this you need white horses,
English trees, men with bows and arrows,
at least two flags, a prince, and a
castle to hold your banquet in.

Dispensing with nobility, you may, if the wind
allows, blow gas at him. But then you need
a mile of mud sliced through with ditches,
not to mention black boots, bomb craters,
more mud, a plague of rats, a dozen songs
and some round hats made of steel.

In an age of aeroplanes, you may fly
miles above your victim and dispose of him by
pressing one small switch. All you then
require is an ocean to separate you, two
systems of government, a nation's scientists,
several factories, a psychopath and
land that no-one needs for several years.

These are, as I began, cumbersome ways to kill a man.
Simpler, direct, and much more neat is to see
that he is living somewhere in the middle
of the twentieth century, and leave him there.

Though people have always killed eachother, it has gotten easier and easier. And by pressing "one small switch" you may kill millions. The solution, take away the switch. People may kill eachother but it would happen less if it was harder to.
Posted by MewxVenus 8 years ago
MewxVenus
ournamestoolong: I have to point out on number one: If we don't say who is and isn't allowed in our country, how can we expect to prevent overpopulation? How can we keep out deathly diseases and blood thirsty criminals from other parts of the world? We simply can't. Therefor, the right to protect our borders is entirely necessary.

And on #5:
Seriously? I hate this argument. When addressing gun control, people bring it up all the time. I think this may be because people don't think it all the way true. Once the government takes our guns, there are still ways to kill people. I can't remember where I heard this but the quote goes: "Would you rather have people pushing people out of windows?" Gun control will not solve any problems in this country.

Sorry if I come off as a bit rude and arrogant. These are very important issues to me.
Posted by Patrick_Henry 8 years ago
Patrick_Henry
Lord Josh,

I am concerned with where you have divined these rights from.

Please share with me your source.
Posted by ournamestoolong 8 years ago
ournamestoolong
"1.the right to protect our borders"
What, exactly are we protecting ourselves from? Who are we to say who is allowed in this country

"2.the right to do with our money as we choose(campaign finance)"
Its taxes, deal with it. I have to pay for wars even though I am a pacifist myself.

"3.the right to punish for high crimes(death penalty)"
Another right is the right to life. Who are you to say who deserves to live

"4.the right to consume what you wish(puffer won't legalize it?)"
be more specific
"5.the 'right to bear arms'"
Again, getting shot somewhat interferes with your right to life. Gun control keeps you safe

"6.the right to your money(pro medcare,medicaid,nat. health,nat. sales tax,social prog.S.S.)"
This is the way taxes work. The government DOES need money

"7.the right to control your business(min.wage)"
If we didn't have min. wage workers would be paid way too little. That is because businesses could all agree to pay their workers little, eliminating competition..
Posted by JBlake 8 years ago
JBlake
gibsonm:
It promotes blind patriotism because it forces students to pledge their loyalty without stopping to consider what or why they are pledging. It sends the message to them to support their country every day and on every issue - right or wrong. It beats into their head every day the notion that their country is the greatest.
Obviously mandatory daily loyalty oaths will not instill blind patriotism in everyone. Some people are capable of critical thinking. However, that it does in some is quite regretable.

Did you know that we are one of only two nations that has mandatory daily recitation of national loyalty oaths? The Philipines (longtime U.S. colony) is the other. It is time we did away with this antiquated concept and promoted real civic engagement.
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