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Should students be allowed to bring their own lunch to school?

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Started: 4/5/2008 Category: Education
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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ETKANG

Con

Hello, and my name is E.T. on the opposition side for a debate. The topic is should students be allowed to bring their own lunch to school. These are the reasons I listed on the opposition side. First, their mothers will be tired to pack them lunch. They are already tired because they have to take care of their kids, but packing them lunch will make the parents more tired. Second, mothers that are poor cannot pack their kids lunch. So that results that kids have to starve. Third, if mothers and fathers are much too busy to buy the kid's lunch, they will give the kids lunch with food poisoning or unhealthy food. Food poisoning is one diareah problem. This is the reason that students should not be allowed to bring their own lunch to school.
Krad

Pro

Thanks for making this interesting topic. Well, this is my first debate, so here it goes...

Students SHOULD be allowed to bring their own lunch. To address your arguments:

1: their mothers will be tired to pack them lunch.
I don't see how this affects the decision that they should not bring a lunch.
A- The students mother's do not always pack their lunches. In some cases, the students do it themselves(i.e. Japanese high schoolers)
B- Usually, parents pack the students lunch in the morning. Meaning, they just got up, and are well rested. They would not be tired from taking care of their children right after they wake up. Stressed, maybe; tired, no.

2: mothers that are poor cannot pack their kids lunch.
Actually, school lunches can be more expensive than homemade lunches. At my school, a normal lunch consists of a drink, main course, and a side dish. The drink is invariably one dollar. The main course, such as a burrito/slice of pizza, is $1.50. The side dish is usually pretty cheap ranging from 25 cents to a dollar. This means that a full meal is around $3.00+. A packed lunch can easily be cheaper.

Lets assume a home packed lunch includes these items:
Peanut butter & jelly sandwich
Juice box
Jello Snack Pack(pudding)

now, at www.albertsons.com/:

Peanut butter and jelly together is $2.69 + $3.59 = $6.28
Loaf of french bread is $1.69
Albertsons Lil Sips Drink Blue Raspberry is 4 for $1.00
pudding - 4 for $1.39(~35 cents each)

now, at first, thats more expensive than buying a lunch from the school, but this lasts for more than one day.
that is $10.36 all together
$2.59 per day for four days. You also get to keep the extra peanut butter and jelly =O

3: "if mothers and fathers are much too busy to buy the kid's lunch, they will give the kids lunch with food poisoning or unhealthy food."
On the contrary, Unhealthy food comes from the school. Soda, Poptarts, brownies, pizza, twinkies, ho-ho's, cookies and popcorn can all be bought at a school. The average packed lunch contains juice, a sandwich, a dessert, and probably a fruit of some kind.
Also, to address the food poisoning, what kind of parents keep spoiled food around? If an adult saw a rotten pear(which is easily spotted, being black and all), they would throw it out, not give it to their child.

I await your response.
Debate Round No. 1
ETKANG

Con

But if the students' mothers are the ones who pack the kids lunch, and I mean "kids" so not high school students, the mothers are busy to even do the house work. This is the first reason for the arguement. Also, the mothers will have to wake up very early if they want the kids to eat good lunch. Second, the mothers will have to go to work if the family is poor, and so will the fathers. It will be cheaper, but the mothers will have to go shopping to get the students food. Poor parents will not have enough time to pack the students good lunches. So that will result as giving the students bad food. So if stale food is easily spotted, then the students are not dumb, so they will notice if the food is rotten or not. So if they find out that the food their parents packed was rotten, they of course will not eat it. Students can be young, but they are not dumb;;;;;;; Also, if they don't eat the food their mothers packed, they will have to starve or get sick. They will rather starve instead of getting sick. Thank you. I will wait for your arguement. See ya!
Krad

Pro

Lets be rational here.
1: "the mothers are busy to even do the house work"
Alright, lets say a mothers day consists of a full time job- 8 hours a day. That means, When she gets home, she has 16 hours to sleep, do chores around the house(she can give the kid chores too O.o), and pack a lunch.

2: "the mothers will have to wake up very early if they want the kids to eat good lunch"
Not really, putting juice, a pudding and a fruit in a bag takes about a minute. Making a sandwich takes about 5 minutes MAX. 6 minutes isn't all that long.

3: "the mothers will have to go to work if the family is poor, and so will the fathers"
Again, a full time job is only 8 hours. Most jobs wont hire you if you already have a full time job, so another job is out of the question. This leaves 16 hours in the day.

4: "It will be cheaper, but the mothers will have to go shopping to get the students food. Poor parents will not have enough time to pack the students good lunches."
So you said i was right about it being cheaper. Also, see my #1 and #3.

5: "So if stale food is easily spotted, then the students are not dumb, so they will notice if the food is rotten or not"
Again, you tell my one of my points is right, if its easily spotted, the parents wont put in the kid's lunch.

6: "if they don't eat the food their mothers packed, they will have to starve or get sick. They will rather starve instead of getting sick."
ONLY if you are assuming every item in the lunch is a spoiled fruit. A kid is smart right? They will know that just because the fruit is rotten, the pudding wont be. or the juice, or the sandwich. Not eating one fruit is not suicide(sorry about the double negative), they just wont be as full.

Offense-

With all of these points, I have yet to see why kids shouldn't be able to bring their lunch to school. Just because poor people might have a little trouble, even though I have shown they don't, doesn't mean you should punish the kids better off. Telling the parents that they HAVE to buy from the cafeteria would seem like they are a money hungry school, don't cha think?

Also, the lunch the parents pack consist of a MUCH healthier lunch than if they buy it at school. In my last round, I stated just a small amount of junk food the school provides. for reference--> "Soda, Poptarts, brownies, pizza, twinkies, ho-ho's, cookies and popcorn"

Another good point of a packed lunch is time. When the kid get to lunch time, the lines for the cafeteria can be MASSIVE. A packed lunch means the student wont have to wait in these, and can sit right down and slowly eat his/her lunch.

Sorry climber, im not going to use that argument. I don't want to seem like im desperate for ideas ^^
Damn, my arguments are long
Debate Round No. 2
ETKANG

Con

First, if the students will have to make the lunch, they will have to learn in like an academy, or the mother will have to teach the students how to do it. The mothers that are poor will probably work out almost all day. So she will have no time to teach the students how to make their own lunch.

Second, the mohters will still have to go to work to get money if they're poor. So the mothers will probably get up at like before dawn and go to work. So the mothers will not have a chance of making a sandwich.

Third, if the work is only 8 hours, and the work place is a long distance from the house, the mothers will have to like have 12 hours of work only. If she eats her own lunch and sleeps, she will have only like 30 minutes. Your mother is not a slave, so she will need at least 30 minutes of rest.
Fourth, my reasons are already told to you.

Fifth, the mothers will have no time for shopping already, so they have no choice but stale food or starving.

Sixth, when will the mother shop for the pudding? That is my response. And please don't use double negative.
Krad

Pro

Ok first, "And please don't use double negative."
Without the exact words i used, there is no other words to explain it. Therefore, it is legit.

1: "if the work is only 8 hours, and the work place is a long distance from the house, the mothers will have to like have 12 hours of work only"
If she had to go 2 hours out of the way just to get to work, she probably lives in a rural area. there isn't any formal education 2 hours from a city. Take LA for example, 2 hours away is a desert. so this would render this entire debate pointless.

2: "So she will have no time to teach the students how to make their own lunch."
one word. Weekends.

3: "So the mothers will probably get up at like before dawn and go to work."
before dawn is around 5ish? that means she gets home at 5 too. There is PLENTY of time to do any chores(provided there are many, because we are talking about the poor person's house) and make a lunch to stick in the refrigerator for tomorrow.

4: "Third, if the work is only 8 hours, and the work place is a long distance from the house, the mothers will have to like have 12 hours of work only. If she eats her own lunch and sleeps, she will have only like 30 minutes. Your mother is not a slave, so she will need at least 30 minutes of rest."
I don't get it...if half of her day is consumed by work...that leaves the other half. Sleeping takes 7-8 hours depending on the person. leaving 4-5 hours, not 30 minutes.

5: "Fifth, the mothers will have no time for shopping already, so they have no choice but stale food or starving."
You are contradicting yourself. If they have no time to shop, they will never have food. Also, if you buy groceries on weekends, you can have it for the rest of the week.

6: "when will the mother shop for the pudding?"
again, weekends.

Thanks for the interesting debate ^^
Pro 4 prez
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Krad 8 years ago
Krad
Thanks ^^
it was fun, i hope you make PROgress in debating(i had to, you did) lol
Posted by ETKANG 8 years ago
ETKANG
I give up, Krad. CONgrajulations for winning.
Posted by ETKANG 8 years ago
ETKANG
Well...it was an honer to debate with someone I don't know. It was actually my first debate, too.
Posted by Krad 8 years ago
Krad
Ahh, mk. Thanks Sweetbags. it was my first debate so I'm not very good ^^' Any advice is good
although, im not going to hold anything i want to say back just because he is 9...except anything moar abusive than damn. I was brought up thinking it wasnt a bad word... sorry
Posted by SweetBags 8 years ago
SweetBags
climber, the kids from South Korea, i don't think they have free and reduced lunch there. if they did he probably wouldn't know about it, hes 9.
persuasion, again, hes 9, try to be a bit more tactful/nice.
Posted by SweetBags 8 years ago
SweetBags
con, allowing kids to bring lunch doesnt mean that the school will not provide one, also, if parents dont have the time to make a lunch then they could just give said kid money to buy one at school or buy a premade lunch, such as a sandwich or pizza slice.
pro, you have to present a case, not just rebut cons.
con, the mothers (or fathers) could just make the lunch the night before, that way they wouldnt have to wake up "extra early" to make the lunch.
pro, if you dont want to use an argument, then you probly shouldnt post it. also, dont use swears (damns not to bad), your opponent is 9. be a good example.
con, its not that hard to make a sandwich, a kid could figure it out own their own if they have too. and as pro said, most jobs are 8 hours a day, 10 tops, with 8 hours of sleep that still leaves 6 for cleaning, caring for kids (which would include teaching them how to make their own lunch). counting travel is a good way to make your not enough time point stronger. but remember, the mother would just buy stuff for the kids lunch when she was out shopping for food anyway, she wouldnt make a special trip.
pro, your rebuts are all one sentence, add some logic and explanation, some more logic, or GASP evidence.
although con did a good job, pro did a better job of rebutting, and was (somewhat) better at explaining things completely. so i vote pro.
Posted by Persuasion 8 years ago
Persuasion
PRO OBVIOUSLY WINS!

I'm in the bourgeoisie, so this isn't a personal issue, but it's not hard to understand this concept.

Pro is obviously not a member of the proletariat, lol, as statements like "the mom will only have to work eight hours" and "weekends" are rendered invalid due to the fact that many poor parents (especially single parents) must work more than eight hours to support their family.

Con cannot say that kids SHOULDN'T bring lunch to school. I always brought lunch to school, because it is healthier and tastes better. I made my own lunches from an early age. It's not very hard. Granted, little kids need some help, but honestly, it's not that difficult.

however, i suppose in the worst of cases, if there is just no time or money for sack lunches, school lunches become the necessary evil.
Posted by s0m31john 8 years ago
s0m31john
proposition*

Excuse my horrible spelling.
Posted by s0m31john 8 years ago
s0m31john
The preposition is "Should students be allowed to bring their own lunch to school?"

All of ET's con arguments were for a preposition along the lines of "Students should HAVE TO bring their own lunch to school."

If a parent is not tired from housework, and is not too poor to buy lunch they should have the option to send their child to school with a home packed meal.
Hell, if they are tired and poor they should still have the option if they want to. ET made it sound like there couldn't be two sides, either ONLY school lunch or ONLY home lunches.
Posted by Krad 8 years ago
Krad
E.t. that last round seemed kind of like you were grasping for ideas
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