Should the Government be allowed to put a visual descriptor on sex offenders passports
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This is an affront to the rights of any individual and once we start to become indifferent to the mistreatment of any class of people we have lost our humanity. We need to all stick together and tell the politicians while we want our children safe and to prevent sexual assaults and tourism, making certain individuals wear a badge identifying them is wrong.
And on another point you stated. You said that they "want to get out of punishment" that's not true, the majority of offenders have served their sentences, so in a word have had their punishment. This would be an EX Post Facto punishment, which would be a violation of the constitution on the US. The very same document that allows us to freely and civically express our opinions in this forum , granted some more eloquent and articulate then others. Once you start down a road of removing ones basic rights under the constitution where do you stop, gays, blacks, trans-gender's. Its a very slippery slope, and we must use extreme caution before we take a step.
Everyone else you mentioned broke the law and that comes with consequences. If they don't want to be punished, then they shouldn't break the law.
You say that majority of sex offenders have served their sentences. In my opinion, they haven't served enough. They should endure punishment for the rest of their lives. That's subjective though. Putting them on a list is part of protecting potential future victims. Criminals can not be trusted to not break the law again.
When it comes to people who commit crimes, screw the constitution. They made their choice even though they knew it was wrong.
Being gay, black, or transgender is not a crime. So, that is irrelevant. They might be treated differently than other people by other individuals, but a person should not have to avoid offending them just cause they're part of a "special group".
You mention people having their basic rights removed. They removed their own rights when they chose to break the rules that go along with their rights. If you can't abide by the rules, then you deserve to lose the rights that come with them. You can not have rights without rules.
You mentioned that "All criminals cant be trusted to not break the law again" have you seen any of the DOJ statistics on the recidivism rates for sex offenders? They are at about 2.4 percent. they are lower the every other type of crime except murder, and that's only because most murderers are in jail so long they are old if they ever get out and most die in prison.
Additionally, have you ever seen any of the individual state, independent organization or federal DOJ facts that show that the registry in fact does not work, and actually is counter productive because the public shaming it does makes it impossible for people to get jobs and find homes. which makes them more likely to break laws to survive.
This is not something new, in the turn of the century mobsters and bootleggers were the scum of the earth in peoples eyes, in the midst we had Germany, then Russians, communists, then the drug users of the 70's and 80's. people used to say a drug user needed to be put away for life because their was no cure, now we know that its an addiction which is a disease. Now more people get treatment then jail and it works. no court, no prison, and re-offense rates are down.
You want sex offense re-offense's down, phone your local politician, tell them that the registry does not work, tell them that the registry should be for the top 1% of offenders, and all violent or predatory offenses.
but they wont ever do anything about it, because jail, the registry and everything else, its all a money making scheme.
And once again I will reiterate you cant continually punish one population of law breakers because of your own preconceived notions. A sentence from a judge is a legally binding contract, if we allow the government to alter that contract whenever they see fit, what sort of prescient are we setting. That's the real danger with democracy, once we sit idly by and watch the government take away our basic rights under the constitution we have lost our democracy. You say its only criminals so who cares, well what happens when they come for your home because they need it, or your family members because of some reason. what about when they start censoring our speech, our TV, shut down the internet, and put us into a police state. The constitution is applicable to all people because our founding fathers knew what we could not allow any government they put in place have too much power over anything for any period of time, because that's when power starts to corrupt. The last know civilization known to mark people like this was Nazi Germany in the holocaust, do you want to live there?
"That's just insanity". It's illegal. Get over it.
"in no way does anyone under 18, belong on the registry." Sure, let's not punish a few people over technicalities which could cause the more harsh criminals to believe they can create loopholes for themselves as well. The bigger criminals seeing the lesser ones catching such harsh punishment is more persuasive for them to refrain for such actions. It's a war on crime and war comes with casualties.
The different ages were selected for different locations based the average maturity level of kids for that area. In some areas the average maturity level is higher and was agreed upon to be high enough to be fairly trusted to make decisions about sex. So, based on your example, a 14 year old from New Jersey on average is not mature enough to to be trusted with such decisions while a 14 year old from Georgia is.
"They are at about 2.4 percent." Technically, that's just the repeaters that got caught again. The number is higher when you consider the ones that learned how to not get caught again. Also, the victims of that reported 2.4 percent would have really appreciated it if we were harsher towards their attackers so that they might not have become another victim.
"which makes them more likely to break laws to survive." And exactly how does raping and molesting help someone survive? The closest way would be that it gets them arrested and now they get 3 free meals and shelter. Though, it increases their chances of being murdered by other inmates that don't take too kindly to people who touch kids.
Drug users aren't helpful to you, they partake in victimless crimes.
"tell them that the registry does not work" That's your opinion.
"its all a money making scheme." It's a war on crime, wars cost money.
"government take away our basic rights under the constitution". The criminals took them from themselves. They made their choice and broke the rules that you must abide by in order to maintain rights and freedoms.
"what happens when they come for your home because they need it". Yeah I'm sure they really need a small house in a poor neighborhood.
"what about when they start censoring our speech, our TV, shut down the internet, and put us into a police state". And guess what would end up causing that? Too many criminals cause they weren't scared straight.
"The constitution is applicable to all people". That's your opinion. In my opinion, criminals don't deserve any constitutional rights.
"The last know civilization known to mark people like this was Nazi Germany". Marking a group of people due to racism instead of criminal activity is not equal to marking people convicted of heinous crimes. It doesn't help your point.
"do you want to live there?" Wouldn't have to. I know how to walk, swim, climb, etc and they can't watch every inch of the border.
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