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Calebbright
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Our_Boat_is_Right
Con (against)

Should the United States continue to allow illegal/undocumented immigrants to enter the country"s

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Started: 9/2/2018 Category: Society
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Calebbright

Pro

Other than the dwindling population of Native Americans that still live in reserves all Americans are and were immigrants at one time. Even though those with strong family ties to this country may claim to have a stake here this land was never truly ours. We moved in like a hostile force with no regard for anyone or thing else. Our nation's history is one of immigration and change. Monuments and what are now tourist destinations such as the Statue of Liberty(Ellis Island) and Angel Island are remnants if what once was. Immigrants came by the boatload to have a new and better life in the land of opportunity, But now even more so they are looked down on and made to feel as though they are less than us, The only thing that separates us from them is the amount of time we've been here. So why now do we have such a large problem with it, Why should we close ourselves off from the rest of the world?
Our_Boat_is_Right

Con

We are a nation of immigrants. Not ILLEGAL immigrants.

"So why now do we have such a large problem with it, Why should we close ourselves off from the rest of the world? "
Every other country has border security and doesn't allow anyone to enter their country. We don't have a problem with immigrants. We have a problem with illegals. If you want to come in, Come in the right way. It's not that hard. America is a nation of laws. With no immigration laws crime would rise and we would hardly be a country. We are letting in many more immigrants now than we were back then.
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Posted by mosc 3 days ago
mosc
Hello wake up and smell the Coffee. . . The Bill of Rights - the 1st 10 Amendments to the Constitution of the United States. The Preamble to the Constitution "We the People of the United States etc". Not we the people of Russia or Mexico or some other country! The American and French revolutions centered upon citizens rights as opposed to subjects of a king or aristocracy. Citizen its not employed in the US Constitution at all, But this does not disqualify the intent of the Bill of Rights to protect the defined rights of US citizens.
Posted by Block19 4 days ago
Block19
Did you notice how non of those amendments used the term "citizens"? If you would have bothered doing a quick google search you would have found that the supreme court has already ruled that the terms "People" and "Persons" used in the constitution grants protection to citizens and non-citizens alike. Thomas Jefferson as well as many people in and around that time did not consider slaves to be people, They were thought of a property which is why they could legally be enslaved. The Guantanamo Bay detention camp, Is not a secret prison, Thanks to a FIA we know exactly where it is and who is in it. The reason the people housed there don't have constitutional protections is because it is a military installation and they are war criminals, They facility follows Geneva Convention protocols instead. That should be obvious, Why else would they have it on Cuban soil.

You really should do research before commenting, Especially when you are claiming other people's statement are lies. You will end up looking really foolish doing that, Remember just because you don't know, Understand, Or agree with something it does not mean it isn't true.
Posted by mosc 4 days ago
mosc
Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, The accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, By an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, Which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, And to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, And to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

The Bush war criminal government has secret prisons in Cuba wherein the US behaves like the Inquisition and tortures captured prisoners! Bunk on your none sense pie in the sky declarations of bull sh*t.
Posted by mosc 4 days ago
mosc
Bunk. YOUR pie in the sky declarations = total BS. The Bill of Rights, The 1st 10 Amendments to the Constitution protect citizens of the United States and only citizens of the United States. US law applies strictly and only to US citizens, Just as Russian law applies strictly and only to Russian citizens.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, Houses, Papers, And effects, Against unreasonable searches and seizures, Shall not be violated, And no warrants shall issue, But upon probable cause, Supported by oath or affirmation, And particularly describing the place to be searched, And the persons or things to be seized.

Illegal immigrants, Tourists, Smuggled people etc this Amendment does not address them.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, Or otherwise infamous crime, Unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, Except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, Or in the militia, When in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, Nor be deprived of life, Liberty, Or property, Without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, Without just compensation.

The idea that Jefferson, Who demanded the Bill of Rights considered these rights applicable to slaves hahahahaha what a joke!
Posted by Block19 5 days ago
Block19
You might want to read the fourth, Fifth, And sixth amendments. The law is very clear that tourists, Illegal immigrants, And even people who were smuggled into the U. S. Are protected by the constitution. You should think about doing a quick google search before you post something you are unsure about.
Posted by mosc 6 days ago
mosc
Bunk. The Constitution defines and protects the rights of US citizens. An illegal alien/stateless refugee, By definition does not exist as a US citizen. Therefore the illegal alien/stateless refugee has no political or civil rights what so ever.
Posted by Block19 6 days ago
Block19
@mosc
Actually the constitution is quite clear on that matter, Even undocumented or Stateless refugees has rights that government authorities must abide. They are protected.
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Posted by Elfman 1 week ago
Elfman
@block / no offense taken
I tend to just stream my sentences it"s quickerfor me to express myself as I tend to run at the mouth
Sorry
Posted by mosc 1 week ago
mosc
@Block19

Illegal aliens exist in the category of stateless refugees. Stateless refugees have no Constitutional Rights or protection.
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