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michaelwelsch377
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Should there be a separation between church and state?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/14/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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michaelwelsch377

Pro

I believe that there should be a full and absolute division between the church and state to prevent one religious group from persecuting an other off of belief and to prevent the enforcement of out-of-date religious laws.
Bogcha

Con

I would like to thank the instigator for this debate topic. Hope it will be a good debate.

Firstly i would like to ask the Pro what he/she means by "out of date religious laws"? Would you be able to give me some examples of this sort?

Now up to my arguments as to why the separation between the state and the church should not happen:

1. The Human Rights
The bill of human rights have been based on the religious teachings. You can say that Christianity (or other religions) serve as a backbone for today's rights. Here are some examples:

"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood" [1]

"Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person." [1]
"You shall not murder." [2]
"You shall not covet your neighbor"s house; you shall not covet your neighbor"s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor"s." [2]

"Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association." [1]

2. Conformity to the Instigated Laws

In the event that this separation does take place, one of the byproducts will be civil unrest and disarray. What i mean by that is new laws will have to be created that will be passed by a board of individuals to approve. Most of the current parties are not made to deal with this type of change. A new party will have to come into fruition and it will have to be one that the population will agree with and vote for. This will not be very popular since most of today's population is religious. Now regarding the disarray, if a current ruling party does decide to pass those laws the public who voted for them will not accept it which will give rise to the civil unrest. This is a very fragile matter which in today's time will not be very acceptable do to current events. Probably when things settle (if they will) then a change like this will create more unrest.

[1] http://www.un.org...
[2] http://www.beginningcatholic.com...
Debate Round No. 1
michaelwelsch377

Pro

michaelwelsch377 forfeited this round.
Bogcha

Con

Extending :)
Debate Round No. 2
michaelwelsch377

Pro

michaelwelsch377 forfeited this round.
Bogcha

Con

Awaiting a response
Debate Round No. 3
michaelwelsch377

Pro

michaelwelsch377 forfeited this round.
Bogcha

Con

Pro was unable to provide rebuttals for my arguments, nor provide arguments of his own.

VOTE CON!! :)
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by evospireX 2 years ago
evospireX
For one, you are definitely not religious because if you were, you wouldn't consider the "laws" out of date. (10 commandments) and the church does not believe in persecuting people. I would want to accept this debate, but so many people on DDO don't know anything about religion but act like they do. You have the right idea(most people's belief but not mine), but you are going about it the wrong way.
Posted by mariotehplumber 2 years ago
mariotehplumber
no u dont know what ur talking about moran
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