Should they take "One nation under God" out of the pledge of allegiance
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sorc
| Started: | 1/31/2009 | Category: | Miscellaneous |
| Updated: | 4 years ago | Status: | Post Voting Period |
| Viewed: | 6,708 times | Debate No: | 6707 |
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I don't think they should take "one nation under God: out of the pledge of allegiance because that is how it was first made and why change it. This nation was originally Christian so why should they try to change it.
In my opponent's 2-sentence argument, he makes 2 main points, 1) "that is how it was first made" and 2) "This nation was originally Christian." Both of my opponent's arguments are based on the flawed theory that "one nation under God" was always in the Pledge of Allegiance. According to history.vineyard.net, the original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' It was not until 1954 that the words "under God" were added into the pledge. My opponent then goes on to note that "This nation was originally Christian." However, this reasoning is illogical and impractical. While the majority of colonists/ citizens of the young US republic were Christian, that has absolutely no bearing on the decisions we should take today. In addition to being Christian, the majority of early Americans were also slaveholders. From my opponent's logic, we should not have abolished slavery because this nation was originally slave holding; this is simply absurd. In addition, in the Constitution it specifically states that the government has the ability to "make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this constitution." This "Elastic Clause" has one very specific purpose: to allow laws to change and improve based on the current times. Ergo, according to the Constitution, we are not bound by any of our previous (non-Constitutional) laws/policies. Now, my opponent twice posed a single question to me: Why should "under God" be removed? The answer is very simple: it violates one of the main principles this nation was founded upon, the separation of Church and State. By combining religion with the government, we are violating the one of the core beliefs of this nation. Pew research refers to the pledge as "an unconstitutional "[slap] in the face" that suggests to those who do not believe in God that their "religious belief system is wrong." The fact of the matter is that these words are a gross violation of the First Amendment, specifically the phrase "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Not only do these words respect the establishment of religion, but they assume that 1. There is a God and 2. There is only one God. These beliefs are not held by many Americans: we are not a Christian nation. According to ffrff.org, in 1797 America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that "the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." According to the US Census, over 20% of Americans are not Christian. These words are oppressive to dissenting beliefs. In short, 1) My opponent is ill-informed and provides made-up facts 2) The words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance violate the American value of separation of Church and State 3) "Under God" forces all Americans to express beliefs towards the nature of God that a significant amount do not hold Keeping "under God" is an enormous violation of everything America stands for and *can not* be ignored. |
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I still think that they shouldn't take under God in the pledge of allegiance I guess the main reason is that I really believe in god and there is no reason that they should take it out and just because my argument is only two sentences... it still proves my point.
Sorry, but your belief in God has absolutely no relevance to this issue. Also, I note that you have dropped all of your "contentions" in favor of only one. Again you say that there is no reason the government should take it out, but I feel that I have sufficiently demonstrated that the government should in Round One. Since apparently you like simplicity, I'll sum it up for you: It infringes upon the beliefs of those who are not monotheists as well as contradicting two values our nation holds (separation of church and state and (to a lesser but still relevant degree) religious freedom). |
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They still should not take one nation under God out of the pledge of allegiance because if God wanted it out he would of not made the pledge with it in there.
"if God wanted it out he would of not made the pledge with it in there" First of all, you are switching your points every round. Please stay with the same one(s). Anyway, this is very, very subjective. How do you know what God wants? As an example, take drug dealers. Does God want them in the world? According to your logic, he does. So you are therefore accepting that not everything God wants is what we would consider "good." Also, it is obvious that we cannot allow these drug dealers to thrive, so we interfere. How do you know that our interference is not what God wants? In summation, it is impossible to know what God wants, so your point is negated. As I have proven in Round 1, which is yet to be refuted, the foundation of the USA is threatened by this phrase. My opponent has failed to provide any valid reason as to why the threatening of the principles of this nation is justified. As such, please vote Pro. Thank you. |
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Thanks for explaining that, honestly I didn't fully read the debate. Which goes to show how most people's opinions aren't easily swayed.