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Edmond.T
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Artipex
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Should transgender person be aloud to use a bathroom based on their identification or biology?

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Started: 10/12/2016 Category: People
Updated: 4 months ago Status: Voting Period
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Edmond.T

Con

A transgender person be using the bathroom based on biology. As a parent, you want to be able to know and see what type of a person who walks in and out while your child or children are using the bathroom. Many people might change their personality for a second in order for them to achieve their goals. For example, a men or woman might pretend to be transgender after seeing someone whom is attractive to them using a bathroom, which can easily cause them to sexual abuse or offend someone in the bathroom while your children are in it. I have nothing against transgender individuals, but I am just concerned about our children's safety and many's religion beliefs.
Artipex

Pro

Yes they should. Why? Because technically they are still the gender they are born into. If a man who is now a "women" goes to a mans door, it may sound ridiculous but they are who they are and will stay as they are born into. For instance, when a man becomes a "women" and becomes pregnant, they will experience pregnancy however they will suffer "negative social, emotional, and medical experiences ,an increased risk for unsafe or unhealthy practices. Additionally, the study also exposed that some individuals reported having gender dysphoria and feelings of isolation due to the drastic changes in appearance occur during pregnancy, such as enlarged breasts, and due to changes in public reception of their gender identity. Terms used to describe the role of men during pregnancy were reported to be Dad, Carrier, and Gestational Parent which aim to affirm the ability of pregnancy to also be a masculine experience." Their parents brought them to the world as a man and not a women, therefore they should not be allowed to go to their opposite genders.

The one in quotations is from The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
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Posted by whiteflame 4 months ago
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7 points to Pro. Reasons for voting decision: Pro created concise arguments, and addressed the points made.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) The voter doesn't explain conduct, S&G or sources. (2) Arguments are insufficiently explained. The voter is required to assess specific arguments made by both sides. Stating that one side was more consise and better at addressing points is not sufficient.
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Posted by whiteflame 4 months ago
whiteflame
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>Reported vote: Theguy1789// Mod action: NOT Removed<

3 points to Pro (Arguments). Reasons for voting decision: Pro actually argued cons case, he didn't rebuttal it. Thus win to pro since con agreed with him.

[*Reason for non-removal*] As long as it is clear that one side argued the opposite of their position, it is sufficient to award points on the basis that only one position had any arguments. While the voter should at least be stating one point from either side that negated the resolution to any degree, it is still sufficient to state that both debaters argued against the resolution and award argument points on that basis.
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Posted by whiteflame 4 months ago
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Artipex, you do realize that someone who has gender reassignment surgery to become a woman is not capable of getting pregnant, correct? You can't realistically implant all of the necessary reproductive organs required for pregnancy into a man. They get hormonal treatments and modifications are made to various portions of their bodies, so they can appear female, but they cannot get pregnant.
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Vote Placed by dsjpk5 1 hour ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Since both parties argued for the Con position, Con wins by default.
Vote Placed by EverlastingMoment 4 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: I'm just going to use basic impact analysis to base my decision. The arguments I got from con was regarding insecurity and it being a breeding ground for sexual abuse and other offenses, although he did mention religion as well this wasn't highlighted at all hence it's not counted. Likewise, pro came out with it being a means of expressing who you are and who you identify as. Here's where I draw the line - Pro didn't make any rebuttals of what con said. Yes, it's important for a transgender to be able to go into a woman's bathroom if they identify as a woman, but that never answered the question of insecurities and objections other people would have about that transgender person going in there, which I felt should really been tackled more. The rest of pro's arguments are as incorrect as they are irrelevant, no offense. Men who go through a sex change to become a woman CANNOT undergo pregnancy, nor does it once again address the points made by con. Hence, con's points still stand.
Vote Placed by Theguy1789 4 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro actually argued cons case, he didn't rebuttal it. Thus win to pro since con agreed with him.