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Should uniforms be mandatory in schools?

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Started: 1/18/2008 Category: Education
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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smartone

Con

Uniforms don't allow students to express their personality, individuality, or even to get more wear out of their new clothes.
Daxitarian

Pro

I went to a high school that considered school uniforms for a while, and I seemed to be the only person who liked to idea. Luckily for everyone else, it didn't pass, but here is why I thought it should have.

1. If you have to express yourself by your clothes, you probably don't have anything worth expressing. It should be how you act and what you have to say that determines who you are, not what you wear.

2. The point of school is to learn. Clothes are a way to form cliques and cause distractions which take away from learning.

3. School uniforms makes picking out an outfit in the morning much simpler.

4. In the real world, you generally don't get to wear what you want to all the time. It is good to start practicing in school.
Debate Round No. 1
smartone

Con

1.Your first point is very opinionated assumption. Wearing whatever you want is a choice that is for that one person only.

2.As for your second point, clothes being a distraction is also an opinion. For example, clothes do not distract me.

3.A lot of people get thier clothes together at night. If you aren' t one of those people, then you should become one.

4.Not wearing what you want isn't something that is necessary to begin at an early age. Whether it's for the sake of practicing for the future or any other reason.

5.After you buy the clothes, they become a waste unless you have a sibling that wears your size.

6. With uniforms, it is imperative to wash clothes alot. Unless you have over 5 sets of uniforms-which would really be a waste.
Daxitarian

Pro

1. I don't think it is really an opinion that clothes are not the ideal form of expression. The medium affects the message. So you can't really say too much by what you wear, other than a slogan that is printed on the shirt or that you follow some fad or group. By having everyone wear the same uniform, instant judgments can't be made about someone because of what they are wearing, which forces people to look at character.

2. You may not be, but certainly others are. More so for girls than guys, clothes represent status. By having students less focused on status and more focused on learning, the school functions better.

3. Your point of picking out clothes at night doesn't solve anything. School uniforms just means picking out your clothes at night is much simpler.

4. Why would teaching the concept of separating work clothes from play clothes be a bad thing to start teaching at an early age? You didn't give any reasoning for this.

5. For elementary school when growth is more rapid, this may be true. I still have some clothes that I wore when I was 14 (I'm 22 now) so there isn't any reason to think uniforms couldn't last a long time.

6. What is more wasteful is competitive clothing, where people feel pressured to buy expensive clothing as a status symbol. Uniforms eliminate that.
Debate Round No. 2
smartone

Con

You may think that uniforms are better for preventing things like peer pressure, cliques, etc. but if that becomes a problem for a certain person, that is a personal issue that shouldn't effect everyone. If someone believes that uniforms are helpful to them, then it isn't a problem for them to buy uniforms or dress accordingly.
Daxitarian

Pro

"You may think that uniforms are better for preventing things like peer pressure, cliques, etc. but if that becomes a problem for a certain person, that is a personal issue that shouldn't effect everyone."

No, peer pressure and cliques are groups, so it is not a problem for just one person. Cliques and peer pressure undermine the social cohesion of the school and undermine the school's objective of teaching.

"If someone believes that uniforms are helpful to them, then it isn't a problem for them to buy uniforms or dress accordingly."

But the benefits are only reaped if everyone wears the same thing.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by atheistman 7 years ago
atheistman
Why would anyone support uniforms, it make the whole school look like a bunch of drones.
Posted by Undermining-Chaos 9 years ago
Undermining-Chaos
PS:

Using sociological imagination, one can see how bullying, gangs, and cliques can indeed be a group issue, not an individual issue. It will, inevitably, effect anyone.
A boy is bullied by a gang.
He grows up secluded and alone.
His parents feel his emotional rebuttal at home.
The suppress him.
He grows into a young man that beats his girlfriend every day as he releases his exasperation.
She belonged to a clique as a teen, and was used to taking what came at her, and didn't do anything about it.
She can't take it anymore and commits suicide.
Her friends, family, and co-workers are devastated.
He goes to jail, affecting his friends, family, and work place, as well as placing someone else in the public jails.
Posted by Undermining-Chaos 9 years ago
Undermining-Chaos
If you go to school to flaunt your new thong and your transparent shirt,
or if you go to school to express what you like through trendy clothes

you're wasting your time.
Posted by Redman 9 years ago
Redman
My point was that gangs are involved in some schools, with kids at a relevant age in high school, or maybe even junior high school. I did not want to come off insulting, I only wanted to emphasize the point that cliques are made by clothes a good portion of the time. When was the last time you saw a kid with all black clothes, black hair and black nails hangout with a kid whose majority wardrobe is American Eagle? This separation is far more common than the opposing argument that these two completely different kids are seen together, in my opinion.
Posted by audraxheartsxyou 9 years ago
audraxheartsxyou
I am rooting for the con. But daxitarian had the better debate.
Posted by Loofa 9 years ago
Loofa
i go to a uniform school. DONT DO THIS TO AMERICA
Posted by penguin2 9 years ago
penguin2
Daxitarian makes excelent points, you should really be looked upon by how you act not what you wear,
and clothes do start ALOT of cliques, people shouldnt be juged by what they wear.....but then again wearing uniforms would just be horible! IDK
Posted by mindjob 9 years ago
mindjob
I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about normal school groups, not violent street gangs gunning it out based on what color they wear. I'll be more likely to read between the lines of a debate title such as "Should uniforms be mandatory in schools?" and figure out that we're talking about something entirely different next time.

A person can wear whatever they want. But whether they are accepted by the group they are trying to identify with depends on whether their personality matches what the groups looks for.
Posted by Redman 9 years ago
Redman
MINDJOB, go talk to some Crypts and Bloods from South Central Los Angeles and see what they have to say about cliques and clothes: if you wear red shirts near a Crypt area, there is a good chance you will be SHOT.

I agree with SMARTONE. Uniforms take away from kids' rights to be unique. Part of the growing process in high school is learning that life is not fair and that people will make judgements off many things which may be irrelevant to the situation.

Clothes are, without a doubt, an EXPRESSION as to what a person is. If they were not so, then preppies, jocks, punk rockers and other groups would all look the same. Kids should be able to express themselves how they see fit, so long as it does not harm another kid. Uniforms inhibit creativity and self expression, which we all know is VERY important to teenagers.
Posted by mindjob 9 years ago
mindjob
I don't really think cliques are as based on clothes as pro says. Clothes are indicative of the personality of the individual wearing them. It's the personality that people surround, not the shirt or jeans the person is wearing. As such, cliques would be prevalent in uniform schools as well. Even so, pro made better arguments, so he gets my vote.
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