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Should we have to show an ID to vote?

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Started: 4/21/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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freelancer2011

Con

In the state of NC under the GOP we are now required to show a photo id to vote. Last year, North Carolina's governor signed a new law requiring a state-approved photo ID to cast a vote in a polling place and shortening the period for early voting. The move comes just weeks after the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated a key provision of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which had required large parts of the state to get federal approval before changing voting laws. Gov. Pat McCrory, a Republican, says the new law will protect the state from voter fraud. Critics say it reverses crucial reforms designed to help protect the rights of African-Americans, young people and the poor. Before I go any further, let me address the supposed voter fraud problems that the NC GOP is speaking of. In the past 10 years, there have been TWO incidences with voter fraud. So, saying this is to stop voter fraud is a fraud in itself. They are lying. Like Rev. Barber, president of the NC NAACP said, "They"re lying and the truth ain"t in in um" So what is the real reason that the NC GOP wants to suppress voter rights? From what I can tell this has been done in order to have control over who can and cannot vote. Who does it affect? The answer is minorities, the poor and students. According to this new bill, in order to vote in the state of North Carolina you must have a valid NC ID. This may sound reasonable, but read the rest of the story. In order to vote in the 2016 elections, you will have to present a driver"s license, passport, tribal card or veteran"s ID. Student Id"s will not be accepted. What is wrong with this? Most students who are now NC residents do not have a NC driver"s license. This makes them ineligible to vote. Also, if they wish to vote in NC then their parents lose money on their taxes in whichever state they reside in. The other problem is that many residents in North Carolina, especially in rural areas, do not have a photo ID. Of course the GOP has found a way to "help" them though. According to NPR reporting, "The bill does provide for a "free ID" to be offered at DMVs, though the state estimates that between 203,351 and 318,643 voters registered in North Carolina lack ID, and that providing them with one would cost $834,200 in 2013 and 2014, and $24,100 every two years after that." They were hoping to be able to wear their white hats with this one but read the rest of the story.
Sure they will "help" by giving free ID"s but ask yourself this; how many people in the rural areas will have the means and know-how to take advantage of this oh so generous freebie? The facts will remain the same and the facts tell us that over 300,000 registered voters in North Carolina don"t have a driver"s license OR state ID. This information comes directly from the state board of elections. Take Bertie County for example"one of the most rural areas of North Carolina"10% of residents eligible to vote do not have an acceptable form of ID to do so. The majority of them are poor black people. Are you getting the idea that this is one reason the NC GOP passed these laws? HINT: it has to do with stopping a specific group of people from casting their vote. How about they use their photo ID that they get with their EBT cards? Nope, sorry, this is not acceptable and will not be taken so they can vote. Of course if you don"t have any acceptable form of ID you can still put in an absentee ballot. Sound good? Read the rest of the story.
Those who do not have the proper ID to vote also tend to be poor, unable to read well and not educated enough to know how to do an absentee ballot. Even if they get the process, filling out the forms and getting to where they need to go, so overall they choose to forfeit their right to vote because it becomes too complicated. Think the GOP suspected that this would be the outcome? Of course they did because they are lying and the truth ain"t in um. We are talking about people who did not even file their FEMA claims when they lost everything due to hurricanes and tornadoes because the paperwork was too complicated for them. Do your really think that voting under these new laws will be any less complicated? Hell no they won"t. The GOP knows this and is patting themselves on the back for screwing small town America.
The_Other_Mike_D

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The Voter ID debate is not just a North Carolina issue it is a nationwide issue. Opponents of voter ID laws continuously trumpet the call that it "disenfranchises" voters and stops people from voting. They also claim over and over that voter fraud is not a problem in the US and such laws are not needed.

First to the disenfranchisement argument. Its a red herring in that you need ID for most anything in life today. To open an account, drive a car, write a check, buy alcohol, use a credit card and in the case of low income even to use an EBT card or WIC voucher you must show ID. All of the arguments used by the ACLU and other organizations about race, gender and income are just ways of distracting the public to the real dangers presented by not having ID.

As an aside a protest of North Carolina laws organized by the Rev. William Barber II required the marchers to have photo ID on them in order to march.
(http://dailycaller.com...)

We don't know if voter fraud is a problem in the US because until recently we have never had a mechanism in which to combat it. But there is enough evidence to show that it may be. There are over 11 million illegal aliens in the US and some of them have admitted to voting. Take this and the ACORN scandal that tainted Obama's first election and we will only find out if there is a problem when only citizens can register and vote.It is interesting to note thought that the most vocal opponents of voter ID laws are Democrats. They have been outspoken in their opposition claiming that there is no widespread voter fraud yet sites such as http://www.rottenacorn.com... and http://www.electionintegritywatch.com...
have spent a lot of time documenting these issues.

There is a trend of many of the problems not even being at the booth but in the registration process. People can register to vote online with no proof of ID being required.

It is interesting also to note that you don't see the ACLU filing lawsuits to stop you from having to show an ID anywhere else except at the voting booth.

In closing I think all of us need to step back from the rhetoric and make sure that the laws in place ensure that our votes count for what they are supposed to count for and that they are not negated by someone voting that should not be. Recent events in Florida (http://toprightnews.com...) and Arizona and the reluctance of the courts to protect citizens is not only scary but should make all of us stand up and take notice.
Debate Round No. 1
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by edibleshrapnel 3 years ago
edibleshrapnel
Easy debate for whoever is con however.
Posted by Carthage 3 years ago
Carthage
I saw something about this on the O'Reilly Factor. Someone on the show said since you have to pay for photo ID (about 10 cents), it was charging them to vote.
Posted by Teemo 3 years ago
Teemo
Plagiarism.
Posted by edibleshrapnel 3 years ago
edibleshrapnel
*facepalm*
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